Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/July 2011

• In the first instance of "National Olympic Committees" you provide its abbreviation, but then you never use "NOC" again in the rest of the page ("nation" is used instead). If you don't intend to use NOC again, you don't need to give the abbreviation, but if I were you I would change all the "nation" instances for "NOC" which is more correct, in my point of view.
• "There were 10 nations that won more than one medal." → "Ten NOCs won more than one medal."

• Fixed, I left one instance where I felt "nations" worked better than NOC.

• "After a 16-year ban from Olympic competition..." Sixteen? You mean since 1936? But there were no Games until 1948, so one cannot consider it a ban during that period. From what I know, Germany's ban began with the 1948 Olympics, the first after the Second World War. Try to clarify this.

• Good point, changed "ban" to "hiatus"

• "They won gold medals in both and two- and four-man bobsleigh events."

• Oops good catch

• "These medals would mark the first Olympic medals for the Netherlands." → "These medals were the first-ever Dutch medals at the Winter Olympics."

• Fixed

• figure-skater → figure skater;

• Fixed

• "... men's free skate program.";

• Fixed

• "They did this by dominating dominated the cross-country events...";

• Fixed

• That ref #2 anchor just below the medal table looks a bit lost there. Can't you find a better place?

• Moved to the end of the introductory paragraph. Not sure of a better place for it but I agree, where it was wasn't good.

• 1950-1990 → 1950–1990 (en-dash not hyphen);
  • That's a direct quote off the Olympic website; i.e. the IOC uses "1950-1990" with a hyphen. I'm inclined to not use an endash here as such, but would welcome other opinions. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 17:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fine with me. Parutakupiu (talk) 19:50, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Could you move ref #21 and #22 anchors to the end of the sentence? Ref anchors that source non-contentious material are better placed at the end of a sentence as per WP:INCITE;

• Fixed

• Specify that ref #5 is a Word document file;

• Fixed but please check and see if it fits what you're talking about.

• I noticed that you have two refs that come books (available online). Since you only use each of those sources one time in the Notes section, you could provide the full source info in this section, instead of the References section. Usually, that's only helpful if you have many refs from different pages of a book and you don't want to give the entire source info every time you use it.

• Fixed

• Any reason for the link to the "Historical Dictionary of the Modern Olympic Movement" lead to a section on the 1956 Winter Olympics?

• Good catch, I don't know how that happened. I fixed it.

— Parutakupiu (talk) 16:26, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for the review, I hope I've addressed all the concerns listed above. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 16:22, 11 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "30 National Olympic Committees (NOCs) participated in ... Of the 30 participating NOCs," repetitive and dull.

Fixed

• "one medal, and athletes from eight of these won" unclear about "these" - reiterate NOC here.

Fixed

• "There were 10 NOCs that won more..." -> "Ten NOCs won more..."

Fixed

• "did not disappoint their fans " not encyclopedic.

Removed statement

• US or Brit Eng? You have "meters" and "digitised" which are incompatible.

Fixed, I couldn't find "digitised" until I looked in the refs good catch.

• Suggest linking "nordic combined" in the Highlights section.

Linked

• "alpine skiing. She placed second" -> "skiing, placing second..."

I have a tendency to break up sentences, which is a bad habit, thanks for catching that one.

• "eight out of a possible 12" 12->twelve here.

Fixed

• Can we clarify that "hockey" is actually "ice hockey" for international readers?

The hockey has been iced

• "Soviet team began to compete" do you mean that they actually entered the competition or that they became competitive? Not 100% clear for me.

I changed to the Soviet team entered the competition, which is to say that they had not previously competed. I hope that is more clear. If not I can change again.

• "1950-1990" en-dash.
  • This was also brought up above by Parutakupiu. "1950-1990" is a direct quote from the IOC database, which is why I'd prefer not to change it to an endash, but if the consensus is that it should be changed, that's fine. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 02:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • For the record, Dabomb87 changed it to an endash using a script earlier, which I missed. I'm fine with leaving it as an endash, since it's already been changed. Strange Passerby (talk • cont) 02:29, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• en-dash in ref 15 too.

Fixed

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I made the fixes you suggested. Thanks for taking the time to go through it. H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 15:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Highlights: "when she won three medals in alpine skiing, placed second in the downhill and third in the slalom and giant slalom." "placed" → "placing"? Seems to work better that way after the comma.

Fixed

• "These medals were the first-ever Dutch medals at the Winter Olympics." Remove first "medals" as a redundancy (two in the same sentence, both serving as the subject).

Fixed

• Comma after Jeannette Altwegg?

Fixed

• In reference 18, Sports Reference is missing an s after the first name. Minor, but worth taking care of. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wow good catch and fixed. I addressed all the concerns above and thank you for reviewing the list! H1nkles (talk) _{citius altius fortius} 15:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Would expect dates to be in British format, although as an international event, I'm torn.

• I wondered about this myself, and decided in the end to stick to international so as to match the other medal lists.

• Lead image doesn't need a full stop, and for medals do we talk about obverse rather than reverse like we do for coins?

• Fixed.

• "and an increase from two medals" from 2 to 146, certainly does qualify as an increase. Just reads a little strangely to me.

• change the and to a semicolon, which I think improves it a little.

• "occured" is missing an r. And I'm not keen on "dominance occurring" either.

• Changed this to "Success occurred for the British team..." as on second read through it wasn't very npov.

• Sorry, I don't like that much either, it's a little too passive. The British team were successful... they made it happen, it didn't just occur, you know what I'm trying (badly) to say? The Rambling Man (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No problem, I've switched it to "Particular success was achieved by the British team..." Miyagawa (talk) 20:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "men's 400 meters" -> metres.

• Fixed.

• Actually, if you're sticking with international English, I guess this should be reverted back to meters. The Rambling Man (talk) 09:33, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Switched back. :) Miyagawa (talk) 20:51, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Bronze col doesn't sort properly.
• Nor does rank.

• Inserted sort templates for those two, so it should all work fine now.

• Refs 2 and 5 need an en-dash.

• Fixed.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:14, 17 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Thanks for your comments! Miyagawa (talk) 09:23, 18 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "The host nation, United Kingdom, dominated the medal table". Should "the" be put before the country name, like in the third paragraph?

• Corrected as per suggestion.

• "they only did not win the middleweight silver medal." This is the only part of the whole text I'd consider a touch wordy. How about "they won all but the middleweight silver medal."?

• Thanks, every time I'd looked at the sentence I wasn't happy with it but couldn't think of a better way to say it. Have changed it to your suggested prose.

• Medal table: "This information is provided by the IOC however the IOC does not recognize or endorses any ranking system." Three points here, two for the list in question and one for me. First, there should be some form of punctuation before "however"; I'm partial to the semi-colon here, but a comma would also work. Second, "endorses" should be singular. Third, does the IOC's (lack of) endorsement go for all the tables or just this one? This is different from the other Olympic medal table FLs I can recall, including one I worked on.

• Fixed as suggested. Regarding the lack of endorsement, it's something that is listed on the archived olympic site here. But I wouldn't go as far as listing it on other articles unless the IOC state specifically somewhere that they don't recognize the table as a ranking system.

• The links to the IOC's website are all dead. Would switching the deadurl=no parameter to yes get the WebCite links to be the main ones in those citations, so I'm not clicking on a dead link when I hit the first avaliable link to check a fact? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Fixed that too. Thanks for your comments. Miyagawa (talk) 14:39, 26 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from KV5

• Remove period/full stop from lead image caption; it's not a complete sentence. (done)
• "Stuttering, (alalia syllabaris)," - remove first comma (done)
• "stuttering is unknown, both genetics" - comma should be a semicolon (done)
• "essentially no 'cure'" - is "cure" quoted from somewhere? If not, remove the quotes. (done)
• "Examples of people who were stutterers include:" - too wordy, consider Some stutterers include and remove the colon (done)
• The dynamic list template should either be a hatnote or above the first table (hat preferred). (done)
• Only one paragraph in the lead is not long enough. More coverage should be given to the contents of the list. (done)
• Lifetimes with dashes should not be open-ended. It should either be 1982–present or born 1982. (done)
• Years requiring "BC" should have a non-breaking space between the year and BC; ranges which cross between BC and AD need to have both notations. (this breaks the DTS template Dabomb told me I had to use to get BC dates to sort correctly, I think it's more important and better to not break the template)
• Tables do not meet WP:ACCESS requirements (rowheaders and such); see Wikipedia:Manual of Style (accessibility)/Data tables tutorial for further information and directions. (done as best I understand it)
• Copyedit all of the tables carefully; I see a few mistakes like "King George" instead of King George VI, "Muhammed Ali" instead of Muhammad Ali, and "fashion dessigner" instead of fashion designer. (done)
• "American banker." - remove full stop/period (Vernon Hill's row) (done)

Hope these comments help. — KV5 • Talk • 02:19, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the input. I've marked the ones I did. Others will be done later today. I don't know what a hatnote is so I moved the dynamic list thing. What exactly do you mean by contents of the list to be in the lead? PumpkinSky talk 10:08, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

By a hatnote, I mean that the note would be the first thing in the list, above the lead and lead image, but where it is now is fine. As to the contents of the list, basically what would be helpful to the list's lead would be expanding and providing some further sourced information on some of the more famous stutterers, like the ones you've listed. They should be in their own paragraph (a featured list should ideally have 3 or more lead paragraphs). For example, you can talk about Demosthenes' pebble therapy; another suggestion would be to address King George VI's stutter, and you could even reference that a movie was made about it (all with references, of course). — KV5 • Talk • 11:17, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Worked all. Pls review again. PumpkinSky talk 23:43, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Really good job on the lead. I think it's much more explanatory now. (tks)
• Open-ended dates still exist. (done)
• Tables still need row headers; directions are in the tutorial above. (sorry but I simply don't see what's wrong, can you fix one so I can see)
• "American diver." - remove period/full stop (done)
• Check your formatting on dates: an example would be "10BC–54AD" - this should be 10 BC – 54 AD (again, that breaks the dts template Dabomb87 says I have to use to get BC dates to sort properly, maybe he and you can sort it out, because I don't know how to please two both of you on this)
• "19??–present" - I don't think this is appropriate, but I don't really have a suggestion for something better. (agreed, leave as is)
• "Greek Orator" - orator is not a title; no caps (done)
• More explanation would be better in captions than just simple names. (done)

Hope this helps. — KV5 • Talk • 00:40, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Redux two. PumpkinSky talk 01:15, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have fixed the "Others" table (dates and headers) as an example for you. — KV5 • Talk • 01:34, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the date and header fix! I'll need til tomorrow sometime to do the others. PumpkinSky talk 01:48, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ready for redux three! PumpkinSky talk 22:13, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

"384 BC – 54 AD" - I doubt Claudius lived 400 years. Other than that, all is well. — KV5 • Talk • 23:54, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. PumpkinSky talk 00:05, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "to the point where an untrained ear can not identify a problem". Should "can not" be one word?
• Cole Sprouse: "American actor, twin of Dylan Sprouse, became the richest teenage twins in the world". He was only part of the twins this describes, so an adjustment is needed.
• In the Athletes table, Tiger Woods is listed before Bill Walton. This goes against the alphabetical order used everywhere else.
• Winston Churchill: The note has either one parentheses too few or one too many.
• Carly Simon: "recipient of ... Grammy Hall of Fame" isn't proper grammatically, I don't think. Try separating it from the other awards in this sentence.
• Arthur Blank: Spell out NFL in his note.
• References 25, 35, and 62 have parts of their titles in all capital letters, which they shouldn't be.
• Reference 22 is missing a publisher (appears to be the Huffington Post).
• Publisher of reference 25 (Entertainment Weekly) should be italicized since it's a printed magazine.

• Publisher of reference 33 shouldn't be Chron; this is the Houston Chronicle, a newspaper. Italicize this one too.
  • It's now given as Houton Chronicle, meaning there's a typo. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Publisher of reference 34 should just be ESPN, not ESPN Sports.
• Should be a space in GolfDigest in ref 37. The name of the magazine is Golf Digest.
• If PEDA in ref 47 is an abbreviation for something, it should be spelled out.
• What makes http://houbi.com/belpop/groups/arno.htm (ref 51) a reliable source? As a BLP in a sensitive list, it's particularly important that all of the sources are OK in reliability terms.
• I see Time and TIME as publishers. Make them consistent throughout; I would de-cap the latter one (ref 62) myself.

Also, for the information of the other directors, I spot-checked sources for some of the entries since this is such a potentially problematic list if done wrong. Everything I looked at checked out. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:45, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed all except for the Churchill one because I don't see what you're talking about. Can you elaborate? PEDA seems to stand for nothing and be a take off on "teaching" as in pedagogue. Houbi.com is a Belgian Rock Music archive site. If this nor another ref is suitable I'll just move it to the talk page list and note it needs a better ref. PumpkinSky talk 01:22, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Churchill note has parentheses like this: (1940–1945, (1951–1955). I'm thinking that the one before 1951 should go. As for Houbi, I don't think it's the best site to be using for an FL. If an alternate can't be found, moving it onto the talk page is probably the best solution. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 19:12, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

So fixed. As for the rock star, I'm sure he was a stutterer but I see your point, so I moved him to the talk page. PumpkinSky talk 21:39, 28 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "List of Front Mission media" should be "List of Front Mission media". I forget how that is done; have a root on Template:Italic title

This should be done with {{DISPLAYTITLE}}. Regards.--♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 20:01, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks; forgot about that,a s most video game articles set it through the infobox. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "genres besides tactical role-playing into genres" Repetition

• Fixed. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Can I ask why you have italicised the names of the mechas?

• Ooh, tricky. The (fictional) convention depends on whether you treat them like ships (italics) or tanks (none); looks like the Gundam pages don't italicize so I'll go with that. Fixed. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "The line produced seven action figures, with re-releases of these figures sporting new paint schemes. Toy distributor Palisades released these figures overseas within days of the North American release of Front Mission 3 in 2000." Ref?

• Turns out that for some reason, finding an RS on a small toy line released a decade ago by a bankrupt company is... nearly impossible. I got one that says that Palisades released them here; anything more needs non-notable hobby websites. --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I haven't looked at the sources, but the content seems good. J Milburn (talk) 17:59, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review! --PresN 20:57, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Just a couple of quick questions on source reliability-

• Siliconera? What makes that reliable?

• Ugh, can't find the rationale I wrote down somewhere, so swapped it for an IGN ref. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• There's still one reference to it, sorry. J Milburn (talk) 10:35, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Replaced. --PresN 17:24, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "Science Fiction & Fantasy Writers of Japan"?

• Dropped as unnecessary and ref'd to the book itself. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• HaksanPublishing?

• The publishing company for the Korean versions of the novels. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• I don't understand footnote 43 ("Front Mission Dog Life & Dog Style 06 (프론트 미션 도그..6권". HaksanPublishing.)

• Fixed; the "l" was missing from "url="

• Hobby Link Japan?

• Japanese retailer/wholesaler that sells action figures, models, and books in Japan and North America. It's a commercial source, used to verify that the product ever existed/who made it and when. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Mora?

• Japanese online music retailer a la iTunes; I think it's superfluous to the iTunes ref so removed. --PresN 02:20, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If these are definitely reliable, I'd be happy to offer my support. (I'll note that some people may get annoyed at commercial sources, like iTunes, being used, but I do not consider it a problem at all.) J Milburn (talk) 23:05, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• That group has produced --> Better would be to substitute the name G-Craft

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• besides tactical role-playing ---> a comma after playing

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• The main unique selling point ---> The unique selling point

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Those black borders really turns me away in reading the article further. Can you please replace them? The dense grey works fine.

I have no idea how to change {{Video game titles}} and {{Video game titles/item}} to use gray instead of black. If you know I'm up for it. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Check the WP:OVERLINK of the reference publishers.

• Given that you can get to any reference without first going through the others I think all publishers should be linked rather than making the reader hunt for the first use, the same way we do for sortable tables. I've done this for 15 FLs so far. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Same for the labels in the Music albums section.

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• No images? At least an image of the toy released would be good.
  • That would still be non-free. J Milburn (talk) 10:11, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • There are no free-use images that I can find, and they would be decorative and thus ineligible for fair-use. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Sorry, I should have been more explanatory. I meant sometimes these game related media have conventions, where they hold their seminars etc and display their media. The image of them in a seminar or press report would pass free media, that klind of image if you find, you can add. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:12, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• What is Hobby Link Japan?

• See above. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• En-dash in reference titles.

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Front Mission 4 - Elsa en-dash

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Front Mission Dog Life & Dog Style, en-dash in between the volume nos and Japan.

• Done. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• As I pondered more over the tables, I think they really can be arranged better, The simple table approach, with rowspan="4 should do that. I will think about it later. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:07, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Sure, if you can find a better way, but again, this is the same format used in another FL, List of Final Fantasy video games. --PresN 02:48, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I've fixed my archiving script to work with Firefox 5, so all of the urls are now archived. --PresN 04:31, 9 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Can't you link "first game of the series"?

• Done. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "The unique selling point of Front Mission is its storytelling approach. " really? not unique any more, surely? Perhaps initially...

• Done. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Was Front Mission released in North America at all (apart from on DS in 2007)?

• Nope, this series is pretty obscure. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Replace spaced hyphens with spaced en-dashes (e.g. "Volume 1 - July 9, 1994" should be "Volume 1 – July 9, 1994") - this includes text, game titles and references.

• Argh, thought I got all those. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Not sure you need all those ISBN numbers in the table when you repeat them all in the references. If you do keep them, format the ISBNs the same.

• Dropped. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "April 25, 2007 – Manga[30]" vs "September 8, 2010[32] – Manga" - check consistent ref placement.

• Fixed. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Can you explain what the last two external links are?

• Dropped, looks like they were a Japanese fan site and the translation project LegaiaRules is in. --PresN 19:15, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 16:51, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• • It is. The Eithan Karol biography contains a list of all of his buildings.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Does it also include all unbuilt buildings/projects? bamse (talk) 10:58, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • The unbuilt projects are also complete. The list includes all of those for which he had a commission, but which were subsequently cancelled. There were a number of unsuccessful competition designs which are not included here (some are mentioned in the main article), but, for an architect working in the public sector, Holden seems to have been unusually lucky in that almost all of his projects reached completion. The most significant one that was not completed as originally conceived was the large scale plan for the University of London.--DavidCane (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• "Many of his buildings have been protected by being listed." and "Many of his buildings have been granted listed building status..." seems doubled.
  • Removed duplication.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• I am not sure how familiar readers are with the meaning of "being listed". I think this should be explained shortly in the lead.
  • I have added a note and the listed building article is wikilinked in the test.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • I realized that the listed building article was wikilinked. I just don't like to read another article in order to make sense of a sentence. The present note ("protection...") is good and gives an idea of what the listed status means. If possible, maybe you could mention "Special Architectural or Historic Interest" somehow in this or in an additional sentence. bamse (talk) 09:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:02, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• References should be added to the lead.
  • Done. --DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Holden's competition-winning Tudor Revival design for Bristol Central Library was described by as "one of the great masterpieces of the early Modern Movement" By whom?
  • Missing name added.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• "Grade I/II/II*" should be defined somewhere or their meaning wikilinked (if possible).
  • Note 1 covers this briefly and the listed building article in detail.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Empty table cells should be filled with {{center|—}}
  • Done for listed column.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Why not in the "Note" columns? bamse (talk) 11:03, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • I feel that this is unnecessary. Where a column in the list might be expected by a reader to have content for every cell, it may be appropriate to include the dash when the cell is unused; however, where the column is unlikely to have content in every cell (such as the notes column), the inclusion of a dash seems inappropriate.--DavidCane (talk) 21:25, 2 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
        • Have to think about it. I thought that it was an MOS requirement, but can't find it, so possibly it is just a tradition. bamse (talk) 10:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
          • I checked as well and couldn't find anything. There are plenty of FLs which have empty cells, e.g. List of awards and nominations received by The Simpsons, Load Records discography or List of numbered roads in Kawartha Lakes.--DavidCane (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
            • OK. Sorry for insisting on it. bamse (talk) 13:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• The "Buildings" section should get an intro in the same way as those of "Cemeteries" and "Memorials".
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 23:54, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • What does "...influenced by European architecture." mean? Is Holden's architecture not considered to be European? bamse (talk) 10:36, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Clarified as "continental European".--DavidCane (talk) 11:55, 4 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Not sure how relevant the numbers of casualties/missing in this context are.
  • It gives an idea of the range of sizes of the cemeteries that Holden worked on.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Why is there no "Year" column for the last two tables.
  • Other than the odd year, the available data for the cemeteries does not provide dates for their completion. The memorials were constructed at the same time as the cemeteries they are in, but it is not exactly certain when they were built either (just circa 1928).--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Both are memorials to the missing from New Zealand. reads a bit strange. Possibly the New Zealand Expeditionary Force should be mentioned and wikilinked here.
  • OK. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

bamse (talk) 22:48, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Guerst->Geurst in ref 62? bamse (talk) 22:51, 31 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Done. --DavidCane (talk) 00:49, 1 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "during the 1902s and 1930s." Have a feeling the first number should be 1900s instead.
  • Should be 1920s.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• The three hyphens in the Location and Year Completed column for Buildings should be dashes of some type.
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • Year completed still has hyphens (I count eight now). Giants2008 (27 and counting) 18:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Forgot those when I did the search replace. All now done.--DavidCane (talk) 21:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Also, the second word of the Year Completed heading should be decapitalized since it's not a proper noun.
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• British Medical Association: Typo in "The were defaced...".
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Cemeteries: Should "the" be added to "69 cemeteries for the dead of First World War..."? There's a "the" before First World War in the next section, and I think the flow is better that way.
  • It should. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Photo caption in Cemeteries: "The Reginald Blomfield designed Cross of Sacrifice is a features of all IWGC cemeteries." "features" → "feature".
  • Copy edit remnant. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Memorials: Remove spaces before cites in this table.
  • Did it for the cemeteries, but forgot those. Now done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• All the references from numbers 9 to 59 need to have publishers listed outside the references themselves.
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 13:08, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:33, 8 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Opening sentence is quite a mouthful.. any chance of a useful split in there?
  • I've revised the wording.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• "in the period from 1920 to 1928" don't think you need "in the period".
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• "became Adams' partner" I guess it's worth ensuring people know you mean business partner here.
  • Made a change.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• St Omer is a disambiguation link.
  • Thought I had done that one once before. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Street numbers should sort numerically in the Building column.
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Folkstone->Folkestone.
  • Slaps forward. I live in Kent. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Berkhampstead->Berkhamsted.
  • Slaps forward again. Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• 1198->1,198 etc in that table.
  • Done.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]
• Is that Naves link the one you really want?
  • Fixed.--DavidCane (talk) 22:22, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "speed of 38.937 kilometres per hour" do we really need that level of accuracy?

I'll take the 7 off as in most bike races they use the first two digits after the decimal, so that should be enough. NapHit (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Probably worth linking lire as some of our non-European readers may not understand what that is at all.
• "Bartali's superiority was diminished " not keen on this phrase at all.
• Shouldn't "20 year old" be hyphenated?
• I think the "not contested" should sort as the minimum of each column, not the maximum.
• Not sure "Not contested" should sort by N in the rider name column.
• Is bikeraceinfo.com a reliable source?

the editors of the site have had numerous books published about cycling, which uses the data from their site, therefore I think this deems the site reliable. NapHit (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• What makes [7] a reliable source?

Not sure so I've removed the links and replaced them with sources that are reliable. NapHit (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

For future situations: memoire-du-cyclisme can be considered a reliable source. It is backed by an organisation, the members are not anonymous, the content is not user-generated (except the forums), there is contact information, and the information is regarded highly accurate in the cycling community. You don't need to change it back, because the new source is also reliable. --EdgeNavidad (Talk · Contribs) 22:47, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• 13-digit ISBNs are preferable if available (according to Amazon, both those with 10-digit ISBNs have 13-digit ones too...)

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:54, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review TRM, I've dealt with all your concerns. NapHit (talk) 19:04, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• The wins and losses are the same nos?

No, wins are 9,945, losing 9,954; approximately .500

• Hank Aaron's picture would serve better in the led.

Replaced

• Where and how the table keys are being used except for the last one? Can you please explain?

Yes, the asterisk is used in the Individual single-season records for triples. The others are abbreviations used throughout the article.

• The column "Braves career" contains date ranges only which needs to be crippled per MOS:DATERANGE. For eg: dates within same century should be 1954–74, instead of 1954–1974.

Per what, specifically, in the MOS? A link would be helpful; MOS:DATERANGE is nonexistent.

• Baseball-refernce.com, MLB.com are all online sources and they shouldn't appear italicized in the reference. Please correct all of them.

Per what, specifically, in the MOS?

• Also, is there really no other third party sources reporting these statistics other than these two primary websites? Any news sources etc? Did you try to look for them?

Added a third party source for the batting average MLB record.

These are some comments I could find. Spotchecks not done. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:38, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "This list documents the superlative records and accomplishments of team members during their tenures as Atlanta Braves in Major League Baseball's National League East." The team wasn't always in Atlanta, and wasn't always in a division. A more accurate ending would be "of team members during their tenures as Braves in MLB." (use the abbreviation if it's already been provided)

Reworded

Can we get rid of "the" before MLB in this sentence? No one calls it "the MLB" like they do for the other major U.S. sports leagues; they just say MLB. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Removed "the" Albacore (talk) 22:46, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Surprised that Hank Aaron's home run leadership isn't mentioned, since that is the (former) record he is most remembered for. You could say the same for RBI.

Added home run leadership. Albacore (talk) 13:21, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Don't need two batting average links in the lead.

Fixed

• "while John Clarkson is tied with himself...". Confusing at first glance. I'm wondering whether some more explanation would be worthwhile.

Reworded

• Vic Willis photo caption: "batsman" should be "batsmen".

Fixed

• Check the player sorting for single-game pitching records. Barrett is sorting after Smoltz, which is incorrect for sorting by last name.

For me it sorts like it's supposed to.

I agree with Giants, it sorts incorrectly. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:57, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now it sorts in the order of Barrett, Smoltz, Niekro. Not sure if it was that way before or if I misread it the first time. Giants2008 (27 and counting) 21:06, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Now fixed, Smoltz was sorting as "Johnson". Albacore (talk) 22:48, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Also check to see if the photo captions require periods at the end.

Fixed, see below

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:21, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "in a single season two times in his MLB" twice?
• Willis caption needs a period.
• Nichols caption - should have a period and (pictured) could be in italics.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Changed, added, and fixed. Albacore (talk) 00:36, 14 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• • link "Utah" in lead?

done

• • dmy dates or mdy dates? I see you are using 99% the former.

done

• • could make the "Date of ceremony" bigger, so that the dates will fit in one line.

done

• • ref 32: avoid allcaps titles

done

• • ref 4: Mike Bruno

fixed

• • ref 26: Eric Ditzian

fixed

• • ref 13: Robert Wilonsky? And BTW, how reliable is this blog?

I've always been under the impression that it was a RS, but I've left a question over at the FLC talkpage. I've fixed the author

• • ref 35: Kilday--

fixed

♫Greatorangepumpkin♫_{Share–a–Power}^{[citation needed]} 18:20, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Infobox (a) image caption needs a full stop (b) Awards & Nominations -> Accolades (or Awards & nominations)

done

• "feature limited United States and United Kingdom releases " why not just "limited releases in the United States and United Kingdom" and then have a less confusing link (i.e. you can link "limited release" rather than pipe link "limited"...

done

• Not terribly keen on the thicker lines between award types but just personal preference.

I usually just keep them in every awards list since awhile back (I think at my Precious FLC) someone said to add them so it would be easier to read

• Do you need all those super-categories since 127 hours has its own category?

done (removed bio films and films made by danny boyle as the page already has a template) Crystal Clear x3 22:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:23, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "It amounted 35.8 million at the box office". Amounted? Is that what they normally say? I thought it would have been something else.

Changed to "grossed"

• The photo caption has a stray apostrophe at the end that needs removal.

done

• Remove all caps from title of reference 6 ("AWARDS").

done

• In reference 17, the newspaper Evening Standard should be italicized.

done

• What makes Alternative Film Guide (refs 38 and 39) a reliable source? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 01:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've seen it used in plenty of other FLs but I've left a question on the FL talk page just in case I'm wrong about it being an RS Crystal Clear x3 03:28, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

After talking to User:Dabomb87 I think it's safe to say it's an RS. Crystal Clear x3 03:15, 22 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• MTV Movie Award -> MTV Movie Awards

done

• Is there no URL for ref 24?

There was, but then it became a deadlink =/. So I decided to make it like a tree link.

• Ref 36's publisher should be the International Press Academy, not Satellite Awards

done

• I notice you have a lot of secondary sources (rather than primary, like the awards' direct website). Could you try and convert the citations to the award show's direct websites (instead of sites like Awards Daily)? Primary is always better

A problem there is that quite a few of the award ceremonies cited in the list are pretty low-key and do not even have official websites, or posts about the nominations/wins get updated/removed soon (such as the Saturn Awards). Like for example, the Las Vegas Society and St Louis awards's websites only lists its winners [10] [11], which would be fine if 127 Hours had won all of its nominations. However, for something like the London Critics Circle I could source it through their official site, but with The Utah one, I used indieWIRE instead.

K. I know it's difficult to find obscure award sources, but just wanted to be sure you had tried all their websites first Ruby2010 comment! 14:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Independent Spirit Awards has one win (typo in infobox)

done

• Again with infobox, Santa Barbara International Film Festival gave one nomination, not five

done

• Again with infobox, St. Louis Gateway Film Critics Association is repeated twice

Really? I only counted it once.....

Look again:

Santa Barbara International Film Festival 1 1

St. Louis Gateway Film Critics Association 1 5

Satellite Awards 0 9

Screen Actors Guild 0 1

Southeastern Film Critics Association 1 2

St. Louis Gateway Film Critics Association 1 5

Toronto Film Critics Association

By bad, corrected

• Again with infobox, Utah Film Critics Association gave two noms, not three

done Crystal Clear x3 06:30, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Again with the infobox, I count 24 wins and 136 noms (you should recount to be sure) Ruby2010 comment! 14:38, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

-Ruby2010 comment! 03:14, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

done Crystal Clear x3 19:44, 20 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Break the first sentence after Fellowes. Start the new sentence from Blun and join it with the third one with Martin Scorsese

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Toronto,[7] Sudbury, Ontario,[8] Chicago,[9] Hamptons, New York,[10] Vermont,[11] San Francisco,[12] Denver,[13] and San Joaquin, California.[12] --> Please kill them.

Done (see ref 7) Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Emily Blunt --> Blunt, in the second para

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• the ceremony saw film costume designer --> The word costume designer implies indirectly anyone related to film/theatre medium. So no need to include the word film.

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• each their second BAFTAs, --> remove "each"

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• on a list of the --> replace "a" with "their". The list was compiled by their journalists.

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Who's the person accompanying Blunt in the infobox image? He's not mentioned in the caption I see. Would it be possible to crop him out of the image, and keep only Blunt?

I'll work on finding a better image or cropping this one. Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC) Found a cropped version. Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 23:23, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Infobox, total nominations is 23 I see.

Yep you're right. Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• First appearance of The Young Victoria in the Recipients column should be wiki-linked.

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• En-dash in ref. 9. Actually check the en-dash in reference titles of all the references.

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Remove capitalization in reference titles.

Before I begin this sort of big endeavor, just want to verify the only word you want capitalized is the first word (or film titles etc). I was just going by what the articles themselves capitalized otherwise. Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)Er I misinterpreted what you meant. There were a few refs with all caps titles that are now fixed. Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 23:40, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Ref 28, BBC News should not be italicized.

Done Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• American Society of Cinematographers, not listed in table.

The Young Victoria unfortunately failed to receive a nomination there (unless there's something else I missed). Ruby2010 comment! 23:17, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ASC award is listed in the infobox as with 1 nomination. There in lies the discrepancy of 23/24 noms. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 06:10, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed (removed award). Good catch! Ruby2010 comment! 15:31, 5 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Infobox: (1) caption needs a full stop, (2) Awards & Nominations -> Accolades (or, worst case Awards & nominations).
• Perhaps one sentence about what the film is about?
• " After the Academy Awards ..." think I prefer "Following the ..."
• "The Sydney Morning Herald included The Young Victoria on their list of the .." on "its" list.
• "giving it the top " top repeated here, perhaps "highest" the second time?
• About half of the award titles in the table redirect, is there a good reason for that?

The Rambling Man (talk) 20:04, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All now fixed (chose "accolades", added full stop, fixed all redirects etc). Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 21:47, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: a few minor suggestions:

• "The film starred Emily Blunt, Rupert Friend, Miranda Richardson, Mark Strong, Jim Broadbent, Harriet Walter, Paul Bettany, and Thomas Kretschmann, while Martin Scorsese, Graham King, and Sarah, Duchess of York served as its producers.[1]" I think that this sentence should be spilt. (ex . Martin Scorsese, Graham King, and Sarah, Duchess of York also served as its producers.")

• Fixed Ruby2010 comment! 16:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• There are quite a few instances of using "the film" or "it/its" in the first paragraph. I think it would be better to refer to it by name more often (A GK Films production, The Young Victoria was; The Young Victoria's theatrical release occurred)

• Fixed Ruby2010 comment! 16:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Since the first paragraph also begins with The Young Victoria, you might wanna start the second different (for example: Vallée's movie has garnered)

• Fixed Ruby2010 comment! 16:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• There seems to be some overlink in the refs. (Variety in ref 4 and 7; Digital Spy in ref 32; MTV in 35; The Guardian in 18 and 20 and The Times in ref 15)

• Not quite sure what you mean here. For consistency's sake, all the works/publishers for the refs are wikilinked (common practice in most articles). Unless you mean something else?

Per Wikipedia:OVERLINK, a work/publisher should only be linked once. (for example, if you cite People/Time Inc for ref 10 and then use EW/Time Inc for ref 52, the latter TI should not be linked)

Ah, I see. Done. Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 23:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ruby2010 comment! 16:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Box Office Mojo and IMDb Inc should be linked in ref 12

• Just to be sure, you want me to add IMDb as a publisher? B/c generally I either add publishers to all the refs, or none of them (i.e. the New York Times would have The New York Times Company etc). Ruby2010 comment! 16:35, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If you only cite works then adding B.O.M. is fine. Crystal Clear x3 22:12, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Wikilinked Box Office Mojo. Thanks, Ruby2010 comment! 23:28, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal Clear x3 21:36, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• September 1, 1974 --> comma after 1974

 Done

• in an any country of Middle East. --> in any Middle East country.

 Done

• At the Games, 3,010 athletes --> Doesnot look nice, try "A total of 3,010 athletes... don't forget to use non-breaking spaces.

 Done

• Join the last two sentences of the first para.

 Done

• In the medal table, do we need the country name abbreviations? They are not indicating anything elsewhere in the article.

These abbreviations are template generated, so I can't remove them; and perhaps you might have neglected first para of "Medal table" section— "If nations are still tied, equal ranking is given; they are listed alphabetically by IOC country code, and these abbreviations are IOC country codes.

• In references, accessdate should be May 1 instead of May 01.

 Done

• Online sources like Olympic council and Pakistan Sports Board etc should not be italicized.

 Done

• Not sure how much those redlinks have a chance of getting an article created sooner than later. Seeing that this is a 1974 awards table, I would recommend removing them.

Don't worry, I'll make articles for them.

Haha, would love to see you create wonderful articles on them. :) — Legolas ^(talk2me) 14:49, 29 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

These are some of the issues I found in a glance. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 07:52, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Three "the"s needed in first sentence of second paragraph; one at the start and one before Asian Games Federation's and People's Republic of China.

 Done

• "finished at the second spot in a medal table". "a" → "the". Do the same with the last sentence of the lead.

 Done

• In the Hasegawa caption, add more "the"s before "gold medal" and "men's doubles event". Also, commas would be helpful before and after "paired with Mitsuru Kohno".

 Done

• Changes in medal standings: It's never said what substance the two weightlifters tested positive for.

 Done I really don't know about the specific chemical, but it was stimulant, so add it there.

• Two more "the"s needed before "heavyweight category" at various times in this section, and one before "middle heavyweight category".

 Done

• I'm not sure what "due to marginal overweight" means. Is this meant to be "due to being marginally overweight"?

 Done

• "Two gold of Masashi" → "The two golds of Masashi"?

 Done

• Remove comma before Pourdejam's name.

 Done

• In reference 3, the link to The Journal goes to a Connecticut paper, not one from Switzerland. Also, the publisher link goes to an English paper. The link is at Record-Journal.

 Done

Giants2008 (27 and counting) 22:26, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Last sentence of the first para of the lead is a little odd because the two clauses really aren't related at all, so the semi-colon seems a little, well, odd to me.

But Legolas asked me to make them one.

Well, it's fine, but they're not linked together so it'd be better if they weren't linked at all. Think about expanding them both a bit and then having them as standalone sentences. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Done

• You abbreviate NOC but never use it.

 Removed

• "play with Israel in tennis" I would suggest "face" rather than "play with".

 Done

• "Pakistan and Singapore improved their position in the general medal table compared to the 1970 Asian Games" and none of the others did? Just trying to clarify why this is so particularly relevant.

It's relevant because they were the only two nations beside Iran (which I've explained in later sentence) that improved their rankings.

Not clear that Iran (who you mention two sentences later) was one of only three ranking positions to have improved. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

In simple sentence yes, there were only three nations (Iran, Pakistan and Singapore) which improved their rankings in the medal table as compare to the last Games (Israel and Japan retained their position, means no change).

Okay. Can you say that easily and elegantly? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Removed I've removed the whole sentence. It's better without any comparison.

• "South Korea devolved to fourth position with 16 gold and 57 overall medals, South Korea ranked second"... perhaps "ranking" instead of "South Korea ranked..."

 Done

• "second in the medal table of the last Asian Games" confusing, perhaps "previous" rather than "last".

 Done

• "or the banned substance " what's "the" banned substance?

Explained above to Giants.

Not really, it's actually just "a banned substance". Unless you can tell me what "the" substance actually was. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

 Replaced Oh, mon erreur.

• The Record-Journal is actually just "Record-Journal".

I'll change, but please first check here, isn't it "The Record-Journal".

Sure, I'm going with our own article. The Rambling Man (talk) 18:16, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Do you want me to remove "the"?

No major trauma. It's a redirect, that's all. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:53, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Okay.

The Rambling Man (talk) 15:54, 4 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Why are Division I and Football Bowl Subdivision separately linked to the same article?

Good call. Removed one of the links.

• coach in compiling a record of twelve --> coach while compiling a record of twelve

Fixed

• in seasons coached and games won --> in total number of seasons coached and games won.

Fixed

• Is it necessary to bold the names in the table? We know that the list pertains to the coaches. You can probably included "plainrowheaders" in the table declaration and scope="row" in the rows

Done

• Dates within the same century should be crippled. For eg: 1902–1903 --> 1902–03.

I do not necessarily have an issue with changing this. However, many of the other college football coaches lists include the full, not abbreviated years. If we do decide to change it here, I would like some sort of consensus for how the others should be formatted for consistency purposes.

That seems reasonable.

• In the key box it says "elected" for the Hall of Fame. Inducted is always a better word.

Done

• The Football Guide book, does it have any isbn, issn etc?

This is the annual media guide published and distributed by the UT athletic department. I cannot find an isbn or the like for it though.

Anything else? Like volume, issue date etc? — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Added the Eds per the guide.

• REf 5, online source should not be italicized like 2010 NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision Records.

Not quite sure how to format this. I thought it was correct in that it is an on-line version of the official record book, not just an on-line PDF.

If that is the case, make 2010 NCAA Division I Football Bowl Subdivision Records as the main title of the url, not the pdf one because that's misleading. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Ahh. I think I have this straightened out now.

• Alt needs to be a little more explanatory I feel.

More detail added

Expand on the imagery present behind him. Its just not a field, you can clearly see the photographers too with their camera.

Done.

• Do you need to have two separate level headers for General and Specific headers? They are practically one-inch apart. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 05:43, 10 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Reformatted.

These are some issues I saw. Overall great work. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 09:10, 27 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the comments! I will address them early next week when I get home from vacation. Patriarca12 (talk) 03:07, 30 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again for the comments. Hopefully I have them addressed, but please feel free to let me know if something else needs to be fixed. Patriarca12 (talk) 21:54, 13 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

If I may step in on the next-to-last comment up there, I believe reference 5 may be part of a larger book. Italicizing the book title is correct if that's the case. Not sure what to do about the current title, though. Maybe just give the book title? Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you noted. I think it should any one of them. Either choose the pdf link, or choose the book with proper citation. — Legolas ^(talk2me) 15:37, 2 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• In the last sentence of the lead, I would remove the comma after Dickey's name. This is the only place in the lead where a serial comma is used in a list-like sentence; the change would make this consistent with the rest of the lead. Punctuation before a ref would be nice, but is no deal-breaker.

Fixed

• Key: Second word of National Championships should be decapitalized as a non-proper noun. The lead doesn't capitalize it.

Fixed

• Note 4: Put an en dash in "win-loss percentage", just like if an actual figure was given.

Fixed

• Minor, but the state in the general reference from the school ("TN") should be spelled out.

Fixed

• In reference 5, unless "The" is listed before National Collegiate Athletic Association as the publisher of the reference, remove it. Also, I don't think the abbreviations are needed here and in ref 15, since there are no other cites to items from those publishers.

Fixed Giants2008 (27 and counting) 00:35, 1 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Johnny Majors last season was in 1992, when the SEC debuted divisions. Major's field for division championships should have "0" instead of the em dash.

Done

• Commas are needed between separate tenures

Done

• Coaches prior to 1916 should have em dashes for post-season stats, as the first bowl game, the Rose Bowl, wasn't played "openly" until then.

Done

• Derek Dooley's term should read "2010–present" not simply 2010.

Done

• Coaches that "shared" tenure over the same season should have a footnote similar to FA List of Colorado Buffaloes head football coaches

Footnotes added

• The SIAA did not award conference championships. From 1896–1920, coaches were not able to compete for a conference title so em dashes are need till then.

Done

• The Southern Conference does not recognize conference champions until 1933. Again, coaches during up to 1933 were not able to compete for a conference title so em dashes are needed during that time.

Done

• Unlike modern athletic conferences, the SIAA did not feature a separate conference schedule. The SIAA was more or less held a similar role to the present day NCAA regulating competition. Win, loss, tie, and percentage records need em dashes during SIAA seasons.

I do understand this concern. However, UT does make note of their SIAA victories in their media guide as conference victories. Since it is listed in their official sources, I feel they should be included in this article. Ultimately, I will agree to any sort of consensus on the issue though.

I was looking at the "All-Time Coaching Records" on page 162 of the media guide you listed as a general reference. Where did you find conference records for SIAA and Southern Conference games? NThomas (talk) 04:34, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Don't really know what I was thinking here. Guess I still had the LSU list I recently created still in mind which does list SIAA records in their media guide. For this I went through the individual season records in the guide from 1899–1922 in calculating SIAA records. If this is not appropriate for FL status, I do not have an issue with removing the information. Patriarca12 (talk) 10:43, 7 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with it. Just curious where you got it. Sorry for the late reply. NThomas (talk) 03:44, 16 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep up the good work! NThomas (talk) 06:37, 3 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• "since it began play" I do find this a touch colloquial. Presumably the first head coach was around before they began play, i.e. to coach them for their first game. Perhaps "since its formation"?

Updated

• Note 2 says SEC East, this isn't noted elsewhere...

Changed note to reflect East Division as indicated in the leade.

• General ref has the Football Guide in italics, the references has the title in non-italics.

Italicized

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:21, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments addressed. Thanks for taking the time to look at this! Patriarca12 (talk) 21:36, 6 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• Look at making the table more accessible with row and col scopes included (see this tutorial).

I read the tutorial, but I was wondering if you have an example of another table that I can see?. Jaespinoza (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

• In the infobox, awarded for just says "excellence in songwriting", but presumably it Latin music songwriting specifically?

fixed. Jaespinoza (talk) 23:36, 22 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]