Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/Featured log/June 2009

• No need to link England.
• "and then again from 1920 to 2009."
• There seems to be little summary of the list itself. Expansion would be nice.
• You need to use symbols (e.g. * ^ #) in addition to color in the tables. In addition, you need a key for the flags.
• Don't use bold unless absolutely necessary per MOS:BOLD.
• Explain the equal signs, even if their meaning is obvious. Dabomb87 (talk) 21:58, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "appear in brackets" those are parentheses actually. Check others.
• "appearances including substitutes appear in brackets" and in italics.
• Transfer fees table - Nat doesn't sort for me.
• Find a suitable link for "caps" for the first time you use it.
• Be consistent with ordering of references and notes - you have [27][E] and [F][45].
• Move note [G] after comma.
• "Record by opposition nationality" table goes mad when sorted because of the rowspan. Look at Rumford Prize for a way round this.
• Suddenly link Luton in [G]. Why?
• Same thing re:Collings book refs per other two FLCs. Same for Hayes and Bailey.
• What makes englandfootballonline, statto.com and englandstats WP:RS? Soccerbase and the FA website may cover what these refs are citing?
• You link BBC as a publisher but not FIFA?

The Rambling Man (talk) 09:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, all sorted now. On the Refs, Statto's data comes from Tony Brown, whose Soccerdata company published "The Definitive Luton Town F.C." along with more than 100 similar books. I'd say that his data's reliable, but if you have a problem with it I'll look elsewhere. England Football Online and England Stats can be confirmed as reliable here and here. Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) 10:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Note G refers to club simply as Luton, I think this is the only place it happens.
• Why is Wash's name repeated in ref 10? Is he his own publisher or something?
• Ref 70, work=Time (magazine) isn't it?

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:43, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wash (Luton Town F.C.'s official historian) published the book himself in 2008. I'll take the "publisher" name off. I've fixed the note G and the Time thing. Cliftonian (Talk • Contibs) 10:48, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Review by --Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 20:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• About the content (compare your list with List of tallest buildings in San Diego):
  • You have to provide coordinates for every single building.
  • Try to get images for as many buildings as possible (search flickr and commons). If there isn't a free image for each one than ask for permission from users on flickr. They usually agree to relicense if u ask politely and show that it's for a good cause.
  • Put more info in the notes (costs for construction, construction time ...)
  • Create a category on commons and link to it at the bottom of the list containing images of Skyscrapers in Oklahoma City.
• About the style:
  • "This list of tallest buildings in Oklahoma City" We don't do that anymore. Change it.
  • The third paragraph is only two sentences long. Make it longer.
  • Add non breaking spaces for the heights. I find putting the meters in brackets like 500 (152) better than the slash.
  • Spell out feet in the table.
  • The table in the second section should be turned into prose unless you have at least three buildings there.

Hey I've made a bunch of changes and I would like your feedback on them. Of course, I'm not done yet I'm still looking for images. Showtime2009 (talk) 17:10, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It would be best to type done next to everything you've done. Till now there are positive changes, many things are still to be done though. Here are other pointers:

• remove the future buildings template (the section title takes care of it).
• Wikilink Oklahoma City at the lead.
• Remove the See also section (the link could be handled in the lead)
• The lead has improved a lot, great work on that.
• Could u add a better introduction? The current one is a little direct.

--Diaa abdelmoneim (talk) 17:41, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Hey I addressed the first four issues, however I'm not sure how to improve the intro. What specifically do you want to see done better? Showtime2009 (talk) 01:13, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Great work until now. This list has gone truly a long way and improved a lot. I have however still some things to comment on:

• The lead is too direct. I meant by that that it goes right to the subject. I'd feel better if it were "Oklahoma city has more than 40 skyscrapers ...". It would be even better if u added an introduction with the history, tallest buildings and the number of skyscrapers in one paragraph.

I decided to move the second pargraph up front so what do you think? it is better?

• In the height column put "m" in brackets, remove the slash and add a non breaking space.

Done

• Replace the convert templates with the actual numbers without non breaking spaces, feet outside brackets and meters inside, don't add measure names (they're already included in the header and are just repetitive.)

Done

• The section "Tallest under construction, approved and proposed" would be better off merged in the lead. This would solve many structural problems.

Done

• The current panorama image isn't really one that illustrates the skyscrapers of Oklahoma city in a panoramic way (The main attraction isn't in the center and it can be cropped to only show the skyscrapers.) I therefore think that removing the image would be better.

Done

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "There are over 40 skyscrapers"-->There are more than 40 skyscrapers
• "In the city, there are 16 buildings that are taller than 200 feet (61 m)."-->In the city, 16 buildings stand taller than 200 feet (61 m).
• "in downtown Oklahoma City." No need to repeat "Oklahoma City".
• "fifth tallest building"-->fifth-tallest building
• "and sixth-tallest building"-->and the sixth-tallest building
• "which was Oklahoma City's first skyscraper"
• "With the discovery in oil in the area, the population of Oklahoma City grew at a significant rate."-->After oil was discovered in the area, the population of Oklahoma City grew significantly.
• "Other contemporary skyscrapers began forming on the north and west sides of Oklahoma City over time and eventually into the downtown area."-->Contemporary skyscrapers began to be built in the north and west sides of Oklahoma City, and later in the downtown area.
• "of it's kind"-->of its kind
• "The Devon Tower, which is expected to be completed in 2012" (multiple occurences)
• "21st-tallest in the United States" No hyphen (multiple occurences)
• "155 foot (47 m) dome"-->155-foot (47 m) dome tall or wide?
• "with a 17 foot (5 m) tall"-->with bronze Native American statue on top of the dome that was a 17 feet (5 m) tall.
• Em dashes (—) in blank table cells, please.
• "The 54-story building will amass over 1,900,000 square feet (177,000 m2)" "amass"-->occupy
• Why are feet and meters capitalized and linked in the tables? De-capitalize, and see WP:OVERLINK on linking common units of measurement. Dabomb87 (talk) 20:53, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

All your suggestions are done. Regarding Em dashes (—) in blank table cells, please all the cells have now been filled. Showtime2009 (talk) 00:33, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from KV5

• Unless there is a specific rationale for doing otherwise, references should be in numerical order. I know that some postseason links in the table are going to be out of order; the ones I am looking at specifically right now are in the footnotes.
• There has been a lot of debate over calling the World Series a "world championship" (though I agree with the usage); since it's really more of a marketing term, I would shy away from that usage. Prefer "World Series championship" instead.
• Because it's being used in potentially featured content, the New York Yankees managers template should use en-dashes, not hyphens. I also changed the box to link directly to this article.
  • I fixed this with Brighterorange's script. Dabomb87 (talk) 01:33, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Blank cells should be em-dashes, not en-dashes.

Other than that, this looks great. KV5 (Talk • Phils) 01:23, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• • Thank you for your comments. I believe I have addressed them. Rlendog (talk) 02:16, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "winning ten American League championships, seven World Series titles, and 1,149 games" Comparative quantities have to be spelled out the same (either all numbers or all words) per WP:MOSNUM.
• "He had a second term as Yankee manager" I think "served" is stronger than "had".
• "Torre also was named "
• "but he was fired" Dabomb87 (talk) 16:02, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Thank you for your comments. I have addressed them, although I am not certain that the numbers in the first example are really "comparable". I guess I get confused on that criterion. Rlendog (talk) 16:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I think they count as comparable because they are all under the umbrella of the verb "winning". KV5 (Talk • Phils) 16:56, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "In 1979, Benny Binion, the owner of the Horseshoe Casino, created the the Poker Hall of Fame..." Ref?

Ref added.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "In 1949, he convinced two of the biggest names in Poker" 1) "Poker" shouldn't be capitalized 2) "two of the biggest names" is rather unencyclopedic; try "two of the most famous poker players"

Reworded, as I'm not sure how famous they were at the time. Made it more about the stakes.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "While many of the best known poker players in the world are part of the Hall of Fame, very little is known about some of the earlier members." "While"-->Although

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "While the original Hall of Fame was created by the Horseshoe Casino as a tourist attraction, the Hall currently does not a physical location." 1) "While"-->Although 2) delete "currently" 3) There's a missing word.

reworded.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "physical location. It only exists on paper."-->physical location; it only exists on paper.

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Prior to"-->Before (multiple occurences)

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• I would recommend copying the requirements and putting them in quotes. "Player must have stood the test of time." Doesn't sound encyclopedic anyway.

Copied---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "mebers " Typo?

Fixed---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Main Event Final Table" Link?

I can't think of an appropriate link, the only I would link to would be the WSOP main page, but that's already linked.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Being admitted to the Poker Hall of Fame is considered one of the biggest honors in poker." Ref?
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• considers her induction as a "lifetime achievement honor."-->considers her induction to be a "lifetime achievement honor".
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "was an 8 inch tall piece of glass "-->was an 8-inch-tall piece of glass (and we need a conversion)

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "the winners name"-->the winner's name

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "and the words, "Poker Hall of Fame" in a circle." No comma.

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Em dashes in the blank cells. (—)

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Where's the main reference for all the Hall of Famers? Dabomb87 (talk) 22:55, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 22:14, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll try to tackle these tomorrow or Friday... I'm trying to finish up a 14 item DYK... which might become a 14 item FLC in the not too distant future. (Granted, I'll have to clean up the 14 items before the FLC... but just think what's in the works ;-) )---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 02:22, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Unexpected house guest, will try to take care of this this weekend.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 08:17, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Follow-up

• "Freeze out tournament" or "Freeze-out tournament"? I see both in the article.
  • Freeze-out tournament---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "in the summer of 1949 Nick the " It's winter in half the world.
  • added location as "summer" is as close as any source gets.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• " five month long poker marathon"--> five-month-long poker marathon
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Nick the Greek reportedly loss about $2 million to Moss and upon losing the final hand stood up and said" "loss" is the wrong verb tense. "upon" could be "on".
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "This event, which became a tourist attraction, is often cited as the earliest inspiration behind the World Series of Poker Which "event" was this? There needs to be a period at the end.
  • changed to heads up match, but it is referencing the event just described.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Red Winn was one of the pioneers in poker and considered to be an all around great poker player.-->A pioneer in poker, Red Winn is considered to be an all-around great poker player.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• " twentieth century"--> 20th century
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "The hand has since been called the Dead man's hand" Needs a period at the end, and "Dead" shouldn't be capitalized.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "whist" Link?
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "from 1946-1982"-->from 1946 to 1982
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Boyd is credited with spreading Robert Turner's game Omaha hold 'em into a casino staple."-->Boyd is credited with establishing Robert Turner's game Omaha hold 'em as a casino staple.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• " Poker Hall of Famer's" No apostrophe. (two occurences)
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Doyle Brunson wrote a book, Super/System" Book titles should be italicized.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• " At one point, Strauss was down to one chip, and he came back to win."--> At one point, Strauss had one chip remaining, and came back to win.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "A chip and a chair;"-->"A chip and a chair",
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "notoriety", not "notoreity ".
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Founder of the Horseshoe Casino and the WSOP." Shouldn't have a period at the end.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Despite winning 3 bracelets" "3"-->three
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "cash game play"-->cash-game play
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 01:04, 26 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "person ever enshirined in the Poker Hall of Fame."-->person to be enshirined in the Poker Hall of Fame.
  • I forgot to fix this... but I already had fixed it.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 23:14, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'll return to look at "Thomas Preston" on down. Overall, I'm unhappy with the density of issues, many of which could have been picked up on a simple proofread. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:11, 23 June 2009 (UTC) Final comments[reply]

• "At one point, Strauss had one chip remaining, and came back to win.." Double period.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Slim also hosted the Super Bowl of Poker, which was the second most prestigious tournament of its day"-->"Slim hosted the Super Bowl of Poker, considered the second most prestigious tournament of the time." I also think hyphens are needed, but I asked Tony1 (talk · contribs) about exactly where.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "and then won the event again in 1996."
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "He and Johnny Moss are the only people" How about "players" instead of people?
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "with ten or more WSOP bracelets."-->with 10 or more WSOP bracelets.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Baldwin has held numerous positions at various casinos." What is meant by "positions" here?
  • reworded---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "In 2004 he had the most WSOP cashes of any poker player." So did he win all those cashes in 2004 or did he have that much at a certain point in 2004?
  • tweaked wording
• "upon his father, Benny Binion's death."-->after the death of his father, Benny Binion.
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!}
• "only person to win bracelets"-->only person to have won bracelets
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Billy Baxter's note needs more context for those who don't understand US tax laws. How does counting poker winnings as earned income help the game or its players?
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "only woman to make it to the final table"--only woman to have advanced to the final table
  • Done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "at the age of 24"
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "youngest person to ever win the WSOP main event."
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "It was not until 2008, that this distinction was broken by 22 year old Peter Eastgate[27]" Missing punctuation after the sentence, remove the comma, and add hyphens: "22-year-old".
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Tomko has also played in every"-->He has played in every
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "which is the longest streak ever."
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "see players hole cards."-->see player's hole cards. Dabomb87 (talk) 23:45, 28 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • done---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:29, 30 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment on sources. I know it's frustrating, but we need to follow WP:RS. Unfortunately, "I consider [the source] reliable/established" is not good enough to prove its reliability. A large chunk of this is my fault for being lax and inconsistent on source reviews in previous FLCs, but we can't change the past. To determine the reliability of the site, we need to know what sort of fact checking they do. You can establish this by showing news articles that say the site is reliable/noteworthy/etc. or you can show a page on the site that gives their rules for submissions/etc. or you can show they are backed by a media company/university/institute, or you can show that the website gives its sources and methods, or there are some other ways that would work too. It's their reputation for reliability that needs to be demonstrated. Please see Wikipedia:Wikipedia Signpost/2008-06-26/Dispatches for further detailed information. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Kumioko (talk) 13:45, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Dabomb87 (talk · contribs)

• "Sergeant Major is both a rank and a military billet, and he serves as " So the SMMC can only be male? You can fix this by eliminating "he", as the sentence still works through ellipsis.

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 15:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think there is specifically anything that states that the Sergeant Major or the Commandant must be a male but in order to be the SgtMaj of the USMC or the Commandant you must have completed some things that would be extremely difficult for a woman to accomplish or because they are not allowed to do it(such as serve in certain billets in an infantry unit). Since these 2 billets are infnatry related its unlikely that a woman would be allowed althuogh I could see one becoming the SgtMaj so I will fix that since a woman can be SgtMaj.--Kumioko (talk) 15:48, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just 50 years ago, the idea of an African American US president would have been unfathomable to most, but look where we are today. Dabomb87 (talk) 16:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Just to reiterate I didn't mean to imply that a woman couldn't do the job but since the billet requires a lot of time in an infantry unit it would be unlikely that a woman would be selected because they are prohibited by law (for know anyway) from being assigned the Specialties of Infantry, artillary or tanks. They could be assigned to an infantry unit doing support (supply, admin, truck driver, etc) but not in an infantry related billet. With that said there are A LOT of woman serving in infantry units doing other things and doing them well so I figure its only a matter of time before we see it happen. I made the change by the way. --Kumioko (talk)

Kumioko is correct here: both the Commandant and the SMMC traditionally come from the infantry field, which is currently not open to women. While I don't think there is a firm regulation about that, there are no indications that tradition will be broken any time soon. bahamut0013^words_deeds 16:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "and by 1899 there were five Marines with the rank of Sergeant Major"-->by 1899 five Marines held the rank of Sergeant Major

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 16:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "rank device" Link?

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "SgtMaj" You never defined this abbreviation.

Done. I spelled it out. --Kumioko (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• A little more summary of the list is needed. Were there any especially notable SMMCs? Who is the most recent?

Only as far as stating that they where the first of something (i.e. the first sergeant major, the first one not to retire since..., the first non white sergeant major, a couple where awarded Navy Crosses) nothing that I think is pertinant to the article about the Sergeant Major of the USMC. Let me know though and I can put some of this in.--Kumioko (talk) 16:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I think I can flesh out some good details, but I'm not convinced I can get a remark for every single person. WOuld it be a problem to have a few blanks? bahamut0013^words_deeds 16:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• No leading 0s in dates; i.e, "August 01, 1969"-->August 1, 1969 Dabomb87 (talk) 15:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Should the list be called Sergeants Major of the Marine Corps?

I thought that also but was told it was fine, this also applies to the Commandant of the Marine Corps article that was recently promoted.--Kumioko (talk) 11:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Five paras in the lead seems a bit over the top.

It was a lot shorter but several reviewers asked for more and more info so it grew.--Kumioko (talk) 11:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "In the Marine Corps, Sergeant Major is the ninth and highest enlisted rank, just above First Sergeant, and equal in grade to Master Gunnery Sergeant, although the two have different responsibilities. Sergeant Major is both a rank and a military billet, " is a direct copy-and-paste from the Sergeant Major article. Discouraged per GFDL.
• "sometimes informally abbreviated as SMMC or SgtMajMC" prove it.

Done. I removed them because I couldn't find a reference althgough a couple of the references abbreviates them that way.--Kumioko (talk) 11:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "One Marine is chosen by the Commandant of the Marine Corps to serve as his advisor, and serves as the pre-eminent enlisted Marine." is this the Sergean Major of the Marine Corps? It's not clear to me.
  • Not sure how so. This line is in the paragraph describing his role, and woult adding yet another "Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps" and sounding repetitive, I don't see how to confuse it with any other person/role/whatever. bahamut0013^words_deeds 07:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• "Sergeant Major in the Marine Corps " in or of? There's still an element of confusion here for me. A very clear distinction needs to be provided between the "Sergeant Major of..." and a "Sergeant Major in..."

Done,I reworded this sentence a bit and clarified it. --Kumioko (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I thought it was pretty clear before because it did have an "in" instead of "of". bahamut0013^words_deeds 07:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "rank insignia of the Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps" Rank.

done. --Kumioko (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "first Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps in 1957, there have been 16 Sergeants Major of the Marine Corp" repetitive.

I don't agree with this assessment, in the first part of the sentance we are saying that Wilbur Bestiwck was the first SgtMaj of the USMC and in the second half we are saynig there there have been 16. How is that repetitive? If it said of the 16 Sgt'sMaj he was the first and then it went on to say there have been 16 I would agree but in this case I don't. --Kumioko (talk) 14:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm saying the repetition of "Sergeant Major of the Marine Corps" is repeated and makes for boring prose. You could say something different like "16 men have filled this post" or something. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:27, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done. bahamut0013^words_deeds 07:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Are the See also's supposed to be other service equivalents to this post? If so then it's probably worth mentioning them in the lead. If not, what are their specific relevances to this list?

They are the other service equivelants and I can mention them in the lead but as you pointed out its already quite large. --Kumioko (talk) 13:59, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Why do have (in English) for most of the refs? This is English Wikipedia, the article is about an English-speaking subject. I would have thought it was safe to assume references were in English unless otherwise specified.
  • It's one of the fields to fill in refToolbar, and I generally try to complete as many citation fields as possible. bahamut0013^words_deeds 07:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think it's unnecessary and clutters the references up. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:42, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done I took them out. --Kumioko (talk) 12:51, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
• Over categorised - check which of those categories are super-categories to others and opt for only the most specific.

Done. The last 2 categories had a subcat of Sergeants Major of the Marine Corps. --Kumioko (talk) 11:22, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 10:50, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Dabs; please check the disambiguation links identified in the toolbox. Dabomb87 (talk) 13:25, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Done.--Kumioko (talk) 14:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• The lead is on the short side. You might mention/summarize the wars the recipients fought in.

Done. I combined the lead with the Medal of Honor section. --Kumioko (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "one of 19 men"-->1 of 19 men or one of nineteen

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "to be awarded two Medals of Honor"-->to have been awarded two Medals of Honor

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 15:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "While it was common for Civil War Medals of Honor to be awarded decades after the conflict ended, Andrew Jackson Smith's medal was not awarded until 2001, 137 years after the action in which he earned it." The flow is off. Try "It was common for Civil War Medals of Honor to be awarded decades after the conflict ended; in one case, Andrew Jackson Smith's medal was not awarded until 2001, 137 years after the action in which he earned it."

Done --Kumioko (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Em dashes in blank cells please. (—)

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 14:49, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Vernon Baker was the only living recipient - the other six men had been " Use an unspaced em dash, not a hyphen.

Done.--Kumioko (talk) 18:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "Prior to"-->Before

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 14:40, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "one of only nineteen men" Dabomb87 (talk) 14:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by Balloonman:

• You have a lot of quotes in the Notes section, but none of them are cited. I would think that a reference would be needed for each of the quotes. Saying they are derived from the citation isn't enough, IMO. Where is the citation found? Is it online?

The general references cover these depending on the conflict or war.--Kumioko (talk) 13:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• It was common for Civil War Medals of Honor to be awarded decades after the conflict ended citation?
• Based upon the above, it creates an interesting question, should we also have when the metal was awarded?

Only so much will fit in the table without it being unwieldy, I think they can go to the article for that.--Kumioko (talk) 13:11, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "grasped the flag, led the way to the" Should that be a capital G?
• "remained steadfast at his post and" capital R? Several other places where the leading character should be capitalized. If not a full quote, I would think leading ... or [] with a capital would be needed? (I'm not an expert on the MOS, but that's my sense of things.) Need to go through and check them all (WWII and vietnam in particular)

For thse the comments in quotes may not represent the entire quote however they are word for word sections. For example on the list Robert Blake starts with "in" and the fill citation reads "On board the U.S. Steam Gunboat Marblehead off Legareville, Stono River, 25 December 1863, in an engagement with the enemy on John's Island. Serving the rifle gun, Blake, an escaped slave, carried out his duties bravely throughout the engagement which resulted in the enemy's abandonment of positions, leaving a caisson and one gun behind."--Kumioko (talk) 13:20, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I'm not a MOS expert, but it doesn't look right to me... I would think that the correct format would be: "...in an engagement" or "[I]n an engagement". The first is *MY* preference, but I don't know which is correct. I only know that it looks wrong to me.---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 13:53, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

---Balloonman ^{NO! I'm Spartacus!} 07:13, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "88 have been awarded to 87 African American recipients" well, I think 88 were awarded to 87 different recipients.

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Consider linking United States Colored Troops.

Done. Its already linked in the Civil War section. --Kumioko (talk) 13:42, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "...prize rebel ram Tennessee ..." is that really a ram?!

Done. Changed to ram --Kumioko (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Same ranking issue with Trumpeter, and Fireman.

Again, these are cited as the official ranks on the MOH citations although they are more like Navy rates (occupations) than ranks. Again I can move to the notes section and replace with an emdash for the rank if you think that would be more appropriate.--Kumioko (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Not sure a link to German is really required.

Done. removed the link --Kumioko (talk) 13:40, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• What is FMF?

Done. Fleet Marine Force --Kumioko (talk) 13:49, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• "smothering 2 enemy " not a quote so "smothering two enemy" - check for others.

Done. I didn't see any others but if you find one let me know. --Kumioko (talk) 13:55, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

• Inline refs 1 and 5 need accessdates.

Done. --Kumioko (talk) 13:48, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The Rambling Man (talk) 12:04, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]