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The Battle of Hong Kong (1941), World War II
Reason
Informative map of historic event. Well-drawn and clearly formatted.
Articles this image appears in
Battle of Hong Kong
Creator
Jerry Crimson Mann
Nominator
UCLARodent

Not promoted Raven4x4x 00:40, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

African Penguin at the New England Aquarium.
Reason
I believe this is a high quality picture of a penguin swimming. It meets the size requirement and is appealing to the eye. My only complaint about it would be the red tag on its wing, but that can be photoshoped out.
Articles this image appears in
African Penguin, New England Aquarium
Creator
Max Lieberman
Nominator
ZeWrestler Talk
  • Oppose. I don't have a problem with the water, it's that the bird itself is a little unclear. enochlau (talk) 15:11, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The problems this image faces are twofold. Firstly, it doesn't illustrate its subject very well. This could conceivably be solved by finding a topic it actually does describe well enough for featuring, though it may require some brain-wracking to come up with one. But while this'd help, I'm still not sure I'd support it. The red-eye of the penguin and the reflections of an overhead light at the top center really hurt the image. All in all, a good photograph, but not a feature-quality one. GeeJo (t)(c) • 17:32, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose is it just me or does the penguin have a red eye? Kind of looks scary, I don't mind the water color though. — Arjun 14:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:36, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Pyramid Peak Drainage Waterfall on the east side of Pyramid Peak (California) in the Desolation Wilderness
Reason
This image represents many hidden areas of a wilderness area many people believe to be devoid of such an oasis
Articles this image appears in
Desolation Wilderness
Creator
Phreakdigital, Mike Grindstaff
Nominator
Phreakdigital

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mountains within the Desolation Wilderness in the Sierra Nevada with Lake Aloha in the foreground.
Reason
Shows the short chain of mountains from the best possible vantage point with the famous Lake Aloha.
Articles this image appears in
Crystal Mountains (California)
Creator
Mike Grindstaff, phreakdigital
Nominator
Phreakdigital 23:24, 25 December 2006 (UT
Edit 1 - removed the "dots"
I'm pretty sure they're just shadows from the peaks. « amiИa . skyшalkeя (¿Hábleme?) 23:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Crystal Mountains CA02 edit.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:17, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2006 American Eagle Silver Proof (Obverse side)
Reason
I saw this picture (I cannot remember which article I came from, unfortunately) and I just love the detail of the photo, not to mention the lack of compression artifacts and virtually no noise. All it needs is a little rotation correction and it should be good to go.
Articles this image appears in
American Silver Eagle, Silver as an investment, US coin sizes
Creator
United States Mint
Nominator
Ataricom
File:Columbian expo 1892 obv.jpg
Comment - This Trade Dollar is a Proof coin (see pic) and is completely natural and somewhat enhances the beatuy of the coin. While better examples exist, it illustrates the point that such beauty can be had if your willing to be patient. The US Mint's "doctored" proofs are too unnatural looking and aren't really an accurate representation of their real life counterparts. I mean, can you say, with 100% certainty, that the US Mint will give you a coin just like in the picture? Not really. --293.xx.xxx.xx 06:21, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Black-Bellied Whistling Duck
Edit1: Some space added at the bottom

You've gotta admire a shot like this - from the excellent sharpness and focus to the superb bokeh; a great shot of a Black-Bellied Whistling Duck in flight.

Promoted Image:Whistling duck flight02 - natures pics-edit1.jpg Raven4x4x 05:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


View of the Chicago River at night.

I was able to locate the full size version of this picture which I previously submitted. The picture is in articles: Chicago and Chicago river among others, and was taken by myself User:Kkmd.

Not promoted Raven4x4x 05:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Plates in the crust of the earth, according to the plate tectonics theory
Reason
I feel this image represents the plates of the earth perfectly. Although a little small, I have come to understand that is not an issue with svg images. Slowly superceeding Image:Tectonic plates.png
Articles this image appears in

Creator
User:Scott Nash / User:Zimbres
Nominator
- Jack (talk)

Not promoted Raven4x4x 05:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sturts Desert Pea, Melbourne Zoo
Alternative

An unusual image to come out of a day at the zoo (it's so dangerous it needs to be kept behind 400,000 volt electric fence and requires human sacrifices to feed it ;-)) but a good image IMO nevertheless. It was quite challenging to capture the vibrant red of the flower without blowing the red channel, but I think this pic does a good job at it.

No, HDR wouldn't be useful for this scene --Fir0002 23:09, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you lowered the red channel in other areas then the red on the flowers would be "redder" relative to the rest of the image and you can get more red in the image without blowing it out. HDR doesn't necessarily have to be for brightness, the same principle applies to colors too --frothT C 03:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:48, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reason
A great picture of the 63 Building in Seoul, South Korea. Its coppery geometry stands out beneath an overcast sky, instilling a sense of awe.
Articles this image appears in
Seoul, 63 Building
Creator
IGEL
Nominator
Húsönd

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This high resolution image of the HUDF includes galaxies of various ages, sizes, shapes, and colors. The smallest, reddest galaxies, about 100, are some of the most distant galaxies to have been imaged by an optical telescope, existing when the universe was just 800 million years old.
File:Hubble Ultra Deep Field Black point edit.jpg
This edited version is already featured.
Reason
High resolution, very detailed, makes a reader wonder just how impossibly large the universe is with all of its galaxies. PLEASE VIEW FULL SIZE.
Articles this image appears in
Hubble Ultra Deep Field
Creator
NASA
Nominator
- Rogsheng

Nomination withdrawn by nominator. Not promoted --HereToHelp 22:40, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Two guinea pigs.

Nomination I found this picture and it is amazing!! The two guinea pigs are so cute!! Is there anything that the picture needs to make it better? Here is the picture:

Daniel10 15:45, 27 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment. I doubt it will pass FPC. The red-eye in the left guinea pig would have to be corrected, and the white balance is off (the picture is too red). The image has noticeable jpg compression, ans thus is not particularly sharp. There is also some colour noise on the background. Unfortunately, "cuteness" is not part of the FP criteria, and isn't valued in FP (though if a picture is good quality and cute, that's quite all right). It's a nice photo, but it's not high enough quality for FPC, sorry. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 13:47, 28 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Vehement Oppose because of apparent ballot stuffing (puppeting?) by users Zooyak, KangarooFan1, TriceraGuy, KodiakB3, Monster1000 - all are new accounts. (Also because it is not FP quality - DOF problem, and the butt ends of both animals are cut off!)--Janke | Talk 12:18, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, and I'm not doing anything wrong. It just nominatedit, that's all. Daniel10 19:06, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I am not doing anything wrong. I just nominated the picture. You guys are so me@n. Daniel10 14:25, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, and MumDude (talk · contribs · count) can also be added to the list of sockpuppets of Daniel10, and warned for a personal attack against Adrian Pingstone. Bollocks to AGF, this guy's verging on WP:POINT. —Vanderdeckenξφ 17:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 11:42, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

stalagmites, stalactites, and draperies by a pool in Lechuguilla Cave, New Mexico, USA
Reason
I'm not a troglodyte, but I understand that Lechuguilla Cave is considered to be the finest cave in the world for its collection of crystaline limestone cave formations (most particularly the 'Chandelier Ballroom', although I think this photo is the better illustration). It was only discovered 20 years ago, but access is severly resticted and essentially impossible for the general public, so I suspect we are quite lucky to have this illustration by Dave Bunnell.
Articles this image appears in
Lechuguilla Cave
Creator
Dave Bunnell
Nominator
Solipsist

Support A bit on the low side and oversharpened, but the lighting appeals to me --Fir0002 01:08, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • oppose - artifacts, low contrast blacks. Debivort 04:04, 1 January 2007

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Not promoted MER-C 12:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Principle of radar: The radar emits a burst of energy (green). If the energy strikes an object (rain drop, bug, bird, etc), the energy is scattered in all directions (blue). A small fraction of that scattered energy is directed back toward the radar.
Reason
I like this image because it easily demonstraights the principle of radar, and it looks apealling to the eye. I found this by accident last night while checking out pages for the heck of it.
Articles this image appears in
Radar
Creator
commons:User:Pierre_cb
Nominator
TomStar81 (Talk)

Not promoted MER-C 12:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Abandoning a disabled M-3 tank in training.
Reason
Can't resist an old military photo like this.
Articles this image appears in
Tank
Creator
U.S. Army
Nominator
¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here

mind you. Details are sharp even though it is a two-colour image. In short, there's nothing I can find fault with in this picture. -- Altiris Exeunt 02:38, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose Not bad, but seems to me a poor scan of a not overly historic/enc image --Fir0002 01:46, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. poor quality not outweighted by much (any?) historical significance. There are literally thousands of pictures like this available via LOC, this one isn't really outstanding. --Dschwen 15:48, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. First of all the picture just looks weird. Something just seems wrong with the upper right person. But the main problem is: who does this expand your knowledge of tanks? I have to say it doesn't. The image is of quite high quality for its age, but I believe it should be removed from the article (as redundant and having nothing to do with its location) before being featured. Though it could fit well, unfeatured, in M3 Lee. say1988 04:44, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 12:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Castel Sant'Angelo from the bridge. The angel statue on the top gives the name to the building.
Reason
A good use of contrast with the lighting helping to dislay the beauty of the castle.
Article this image appears in
Castel Sant'Angelo
Creator
Andreas Tille
Nominator
¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here

Oppose Per above, also seems to be on a tilt --Fir0002 01:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 12:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Finnish Civilian gas mask from 1939

Ok, shoot this down if you wish... ;-) This is not a "beautiful" image, but it is high enc and certainly eye-catching, even in thumb size. It shows a gas mask of the type that was distributed to civilians in Finland during WWII. Not quite Darth Vader, eh? Appears in the Gas mask article, of course.

Self-nom, so no vote. User:Janke

  • Blah Now that's some fine colour noise you've got there... --antilived T | C | G 09:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. It has good composition and lighting. However, as mentioned by Antilived, there's noticeable colour noise. Also it's not as sharp as I would like. --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 13:07, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the color noise doesn't bother me. However, the image just isn't striking to me. The contrast is fairly low (background, jacket, and helmet colors have similar qualities) and overall isn't that dynamic of an image.--Andrew c 15:48, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose As stated by Andrew C it just isn't that appealing to me.--¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here 15:51, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose the noise is a little too much and per Andrew C. — Arjun
  • OpposeThe picture is of high resolution and of somewhat okay quality. But it is not (as quoted by the featured picture criteria ) "Wikipedia's best work." It isn't very attractive nor is it pleasing to the eye. Wwicki 17:17, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The picture really isn't inspiring to me. It's just some dude in a grey gasmask. Now, if it was a dude in a really cool gasmask (say, with multiple stamps or even bumper stickers on it) and the guy had some really cool hair or tattoos or something, then I would support. Although the picture is technically good, it's not exactly worthy of the front page. Remember, featured pictures are the best of Wikipedia in order to show the quality of the site. If this is the best we have.... then Wikipedia is in trouble. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 07:58, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Um, Sharkface, I don't think stamps and bumper stickers go well with a gas mask...but I would agree with you on the last point; it's Oppose for me. The picture has little notability, if any at all. If you could get an ancient picture filled with people in gas masks, that may be more appealing. -- Altiris Exeunt 08:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • some really cool hair or tattoos? You know that gas masks have a use besides weird fetish parties... ...do you? ;-) --Dschwen 15:50, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 12:36, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Panoramic view of the Red Sand Garden, Australian Garden, Royal Botanic Gardens, Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia

An attractive high quality panoramic image of the Red Sand Garden in the newly opened Australian Garden at the Royal Botanic Gardens, Cranbourne, Victoria, Australia. This image was taken back in June 2006, just a month after the Australian Garden opened and before the spring growth and changes.

It was taken in the late winter afternoon to avoid the crowds and to capture the best lighting and shadows on the dunes and across the gardens. While this has adversely affected the sky on the left where the sun was setting, in my opinion that does not diminish the encyclopaedic information or quality of the image as the garden itself is beautifully lit. Incidentally, in case anyone's wondering, the curve of the path and wall are real, not an artifact of the creation of the panorama.

Haha, nicely put. Don't take this too harshly Altiris, but maybe kill the over the top voting except for truly exceptional cases. "Extreme support" and the like aren't commonly used on FPC --Fir0002 01:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'll try my best to take that into effect, Fir. Bear in mind that I'm new to voting in FPC, so my opinions are pretty high initially. However, you can be rest assured that my votes will be...ahh, what's that phrase...harder to earn as time goes on. This does not mean that I give Extreme Support for no reason, though. As long as the image is exceptional in my opinion, it gets my vote. -- Altiris Exeunt 10:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, quite understandable for someone new, and I'm glad you took the comment in the right spirit --Fir0002 22:25, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Support The colors (red sand and blue sky) work well together - shame about the blown highlights losing this on the LHS --Fir0002 01:48, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted MER-C 12:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sufjan Stevens playing banjo
edit1
edit2
Reason
I posted this recently on WP:PPR. Traffic there isn't that great, but I got some good feedback, and decided just to go ahead and nominate it.

Here's why I think this should be FP:

  • The composition is fantastic - the colors incredible, the placement is artistic, the focus is great
  • The subject is very well depicted. I've never really listened to Sufjan Stevens before, so I listened to a few tracks on iTunes. His music is very solemn, quiet, and thoughtful. The look on his face is very illustrative of his music.

I understand that in an ideal world, there are a few things that could be fixed in this photo, but for the most part these are known limitations that are particular to concert photography. These issues include:

  • Lighting does not highlight the face well enough (Maybe this can be fixed with some photoshop?)
    (Because of this, thumbnail image does not show subject well if it's not big enough.)
  • It is a little out-of-focus around the hands, or possibly blurry due to the motion of playing the banjo
  • It is also somewhat grainy, due to the [necessarily] high ISO setting (800)
Articles this image appears in
Sufjan Stevens
Creator
Jlencion
Nominator
tiZom(2¢)

Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:50, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Willet (Catoptrophorus semipalmatus) in Panama
Edit 1 by Pharaoh Hound. Cropped and very slightly lightened.
Edit 2 by Pharaoh Hound. Cropped, but otherwise unchanged
Reason
A very encyclopedic, good quality and beautiful photo.
Articles this image appears in
Willet
Creator
Mdf
Nominator
Pharaoh Hound (talk)

Promoted Image:Catoptrophorus semipalmatus edit.jpg Raven4x4x 07:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Scene on board USS Yorktown during the Battle of Midway, June 1942, shortly after she was hit by three Japanese bombs on 4 June 1942. Dense smoke is from fires in her uptakes, caused by a bomb that punctured them and knocked out her boilers.
Reason
This is one of the iconic images that came out of the Battle of Midway, the pivotal battle of the Pacific Theatre of World War II. This image was taken shortly after the air raid against the U.S. carriers protecting Midway, and has been used in several notable publications (among them Robert Ballard’s book about the Battle of Midway and his search for Yorktown). For these reasons I am nominating this image for Featured Status.
Articles this image appears in
USS Yorktown (CV-5)
Creator
Photographer 2nd Class William G. Roy, USN
Nominator
TomStar81 (Talk)

TomStar81 (Talk) 08:13, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • what I am wondering is if the low res comes from the poor quality of the original, or just a low res scan. If the latter, I'd like to see a new version, but if it's the former, I'll gladly support. Debivort 23:53, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Support Weak Support. Very high quality. Clearly gives a feeling of how the Yorktown was destroyed.Has no copyright infringement. Wwicki 11:10, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose. Uninteresting, vapid. Olegivvit 12:43, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. bw does not equal historic value. The image quality and the resolution are low. As for enc, the picture doesn't tell me anyting. All I see is a smoking aircraft carrier. Big deal. --Dschwen 15:36, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I also oppose this image, for size requirements and quality. But your point "All I see is..." seems odd to me. I could say the same of a photo of Lincoln "all I see is a guy sitting there" or the Hindenburg "All I see is a zeppelin burning." I think a burning aircraft carrier is a big deal! --Bridgecross 16:49, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Ha ha, I see you point. And I'm even inclined to agree to the Lincoln comment :-). I suppose it is hard to define what makes up historical significance (we should abbreviate that just like enc. I'll call it hist now). We can start arguing now if the explosion of the Hindenburg was a more significant event than the burning of (yet another?) aircraft carrier. What was the media impact back then? We can also argue about the historical importance of a figure like Lincoln, but in that case the significance of the depicted moment is more important to me (example: Lincoln eating a steak - low hist, Lincoln being shot attending a theatre performance - high hist). We can argue about all that... ...or just let it be since we wont resolve that issue here anyways :-). --Dschwen 18:33, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support: Featured Picture guidelines reads: "The more historically-important an image is, or the rarer the content of the scene, the lower the quality that can be allowed", as well as "The more historically-important an image is, or the rarer or more significant its content, the less aesthetically-pleasing it may be".[1] I think this more than justifies this image as a featured picture-- it is very illustrative, as well as very rare. Jellocube27 20:54, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is certainly not very rare. WW2 is a well documented epoch, although it might seem like forever ago for younger people. Check this page and its subpages for tons of pics from the attack on the Yorktown. --Dschwen 21:22, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • This most certainly is very rare. WWII was a well documented epoch, as you have stated, but the war ended over 60 years ago. These images are all we have left of the conflict, we can not build a time machine and travel back to these historical events with digital cameras just for the sake of correcting one or two imperfections. Moreover, pictures are not suppose to tell you anything, they are suppose to show you something that would be otherwise difficult to explain with words. If you are objecting to this on the basis of context, then read through our Battle of Midway article (a featured article, no less) and gain some deeper apreciation for the event(s) depicted here in. TomStar81 (Talk) 22:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • The fact that this shot is not reproducible with a digital camera says nothing about rarity. And you've got it backwards, a FP should make a reader want to know more not the other way around. --Dschwen 22:57, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Even if it isn't rare, the picture is still historically significant and (in my opinion) does a fine job of illustrating the Battle of Midway, or at least the bombing of the USS Yorktown. Jellocube27 00:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral Changed vote per Dschwen. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 21:47, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose While the image itself is featureworthy, this version doesn't meet our requirements and there is no reason why a better version cannot be produced. ~ trialsanderrors 00:25, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • As I have noted above, I have searched everywhere I can think of to get a higher quality photo, and came up empty handed on each account. If you want, you can try to find a higher quality photo, but from where I stand this is as good as it is going to get. TomStar81 (Talk) 00:41, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I noticed that. But "as good as it's going to get" isn't a criterion except in the rarest of cases. This is a comparatively recent (in photographic history) picture from a well-documented event and a number of pictures have covered similar subject matter, so size and quality requirements shouldn't be cast aside because of the rarity argument. ~ trialsanderrors 00:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, "I couldn't find a better one" isn't an excuse when the problems are endemic to this version of the image and not with the original. The image is in the archives, you can ask them for access to make a better scan, this one has problems. I'd support the image, but this version of the image has flaws. Quality forgiveness for historical images doesn't apply when the quality issues aren't part of the original image. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 09:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:04, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


File:Seal on the shore.jpg
A seal.
Reason
High detail image of a seal. Originally uploaded under a CC license, which is irrevocable.
Articles this image appears in
Pinniped
Creator
Flickr.com user "Chylandra"
Nominator
Noclip

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


NB. This image was deleted from Commons due to an OTRS ticket (2007011610014593). I left the image here as part of the historical record. --pfctdayelise (talk) 13:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A massive sand storm cloud is close to enveloping a military camp as it rolls over Al Asad, Iraq, just before nightfall on April 27, 2005. DoD photo by Cpl. Alicia M. Garcia, U.S. Marine Corps.
Reason
Illustrates the subject well, appears to be of good resolution/compression, I find it rather breathtaking
Articles this image appears in
Dust storm
Creator
Alicia M. Garcia
Nominator
Eyrian

Promoted Image:Sandstorm.jpg Raven4x4x 07:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC) Image:Sandstorm.jpg[reply]

Wolf Spider

A good image of a Wolf Spider on a white background. All body parts are visible and thus the image has a high enc value.

Unfortunately this is all but unavoidable in a macro image (see Macro photography) --Fir0002 01:59, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, the article you reference contains an image proving the contrary, by... ..oh, right you :-). Well I guess this speciment didn't hold still as nicely as the other one... --Dschwen 14:22, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As I mentioned above, that's unlikely due to technical limitations in DOF for macro photography --Fir0002 07:20, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
1) Selective focus often increases the encyclopedic value of a photo by drawing attention to the subject while blurring out irrelevant aspects of the image like background detail. 2) As Fir and others keep saying, getting all of the subject of a macro shot in focus is generally impossible. Debivort 09:16, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. As has already been pointed out by Fir0002 it is virtually impossible for all parts of the image to be in focus in this type of macro photography, especially on a relatively large beastie like this. The key parts are in strong focus, and at least two of the legs are also fully focussed showing all necessary details. --jjron 07:21, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose In addition to the DOF problem (could you shoot at f:64?), what bothers me are the double, or "cross" shadows. Fir, maybe we need to start a collection to buy you that white umbrella! ;-) --Janke | Talk 08:49, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
:-) I wouldn't complain! Maybe you can convince Wikimedia to part with some of their $800,000! But no I can't shoot at f/64 because the min aperture of my lens is f/22 - and at f/22 the sharpness is unacceptable due to diffraction (I can only imagine what it'd be like at f/64! --Fir0002 22:32, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
OK, which wolf spider image do you think is the best? And bear in mind that this isn't a repeat subject because the last image was an illustration of a focus bracket. --Fir0002 22:28, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that only the composed 3-image focus series was promoted, which leaves just one real Wolf spider FP, crawling from its hole. So it was just a percieved repetition. In that case I happily support. Thanks for clearing that up. --Dschwen 14:41, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well it's easy to talk airily of focus bracketing but it's tremendously difficult to do, let alone on a live subject. I did try a full body shot, but he kept moving - the focus brackets I uploaded where the only ones I managed to produce --Fir0002 08:20, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Although this is an excellent picture there is something unnatural about the background and the shadows. I have nothing against editing (provided it doesn't fake the subject), I just would like to know what kind of manipulation was used. Alvesgaspar 21:02, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I'm happy to say that no manipulation of the background was used --Fir0002 22:09, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But I suppose the spider was moved to a favourable shooting place. Brrr, how did you manage that? Alvesgaspar 23:30, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I captured him and put him in a wide plastic tray (with about 15cm lip on it) lined with white paper --Fir0002 09:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted , although again this was quite close Raven4x4x 06:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Caught and gutted Atlantic White-sided Dolphins at a port named Hvalba, in the Faroe Islands
Edit 1 - Lightened and sharpened
Reason
A large, high res and compelling photo of whaling in the Faroe Islands that I feel is very encyclopaedic. A bit POV, yet displays similar content to the holocaust-era images of mass graves. This is simply what happens. The number of whales I think shows that the practice is of economic significance, essentially summing up the two main arguments behind whaling. (part of a series - here)
Articles this image appears in
Dolphin / Faroe Islands / Whaling / Whaling in the Faroe Islands / Atlantic White-sided Dolphin / Hvalba
Creator
User:Erik Christensen
Nominator
- Jack (talk)

Weak Oppose Per above - image quality isn't that great. (Not to mention the yuck factor!! :) --Fir0002 01:12, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested crop, for discussion
  • Comment The crop is not optimal, I think. There's a little too much empty space (i.e. the concrete) on the left. It might work better with a narrower crop, showing principally the two complete rows of whales on the right. — BillC talk 00:09, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Add: crop shown on right:-
  • Are you referring to the size of the overall image? Because that's not I was proposing. I shrunk the size of the cropped image to be kinder on the servers; the image to the right is only for discussion as a proposal for where to crop the image, not a proposal to shrink it. — BillC talk 19:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oh, OK. Though it's usually best to create a ready-for-promotion picture as your edit. Although I partially agree with your idea, I think you definitely cropped too much. Perhaps a 100px shave off the left? Still, I do like the image as it is, I feel it gives the impression that more dolphins are yet to be added. I'm not sure - Jack (talk) 02:58, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Whaling in the Faroe Islands.jpg Raven4x4x 06:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Discussions posted after the discussion had closed

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  • Oppose It's disgusting, vile, sickening, and has no place on the front page of Wikipedia. Perfectly fine for an article, but there's no need for it to be on the front page, where people will accidently look at it when scrolling to the links at the bottom of the main page. And yes, I know the vote's late, take it off if you'd like, but had I known about it a week before the strabismus surgery picture came up, I would have said the exact same thing. Kevin 23:35, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I like the image and whatever, I would like to make a note about the description of the image as reminiscient of "holocaust-era images of mass graves." Descriptions such as this to further an anti-whaling cause necessarily trivialize the Holocaust and the true magnitude and horror of such an event. To compare the slaughter of over 10 million people to any smaller scale killing of animals is inaccurate, rude, and disrespectful. Otherwise, great image.--Blingice 00:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
As per above, the photo does not belong on Wikipedia's front page. And I wholeheartedly agree with Blingice's sentiment--comparing any hunting/environmental event to the Holocaust is completely inappropriate and tasteless. I hope it was no more than a poor choice of words. Theonlyedge 02:39, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I do not agree that it should be excluded do to the graphic nature, but rather that it lacks the "wow" factor that I expect from a featured picture. It's shocking, no doubt, but if a shocking picture was a good picture, than the infamous hello.jpg would be FP quality without question. When you see a featured picture, you should want to learn more. Take this, for example:

Now, when you see that, don't you want to know more about plasma? Do you get that same feeling about whaling from this picture? no!--Munkel (talk) 16:50, 29 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do. When I first saw this picture, I had only a vague knowledge that whaling was still legal anywhere. *boom* Suddenly, the reality is brought home to me, and I want to know where it's legal, under what circumstances, etc. --Herald Alberich 11:42, 30 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Potato and cross section

In a similar style to the capsicum picture, here is a photo of a potato and it's (rather plain) cross section. Again nice lighting and high enc value IMO

Personal taste of course, but I chose that "dirty" one because it looks more natural then one which has been washed and polished (contrary to what some people may think potatos come from underground not the shops ;-). It also has a much more interesting texture. --Fir0002 23:42, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder whether the cross-section would be more interesting with a potato which has gone somewhat more green? How encyclopedic that would be is debatable, since usually people don't eat them green, but it might make a better shot. Mak (talk) 02:18, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I assure you that there was no shadow photoshopping in this image. That's how it turned out (similar setup to the capsicum image with white paper, ambient and shoe flash). What is the provision of your support? --Fir0002 09:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Only your response to this. I'm not an opponent of nuanced photoshopping, but I would always like to see the original for comparison. ~ trialsanderrors 10:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I think the cross-section is fine, since we get enough skin on the other one. If it were a low-rez image, more contrast would be needed for the cross-section, but in this case it shows up fine, IMO. Caption should specify the type of potato - looks like the cheap ones I buy, (Russet?) Very encyclopedic.Bobanny 22:04, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Nice image, and encyclopedic, cross-section shows up fine. Hello32020 00:50, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Fir, your product shots are always great (although the capsicum looked a little evil). I would much prefer an unwashed potato to a washed one, as washed ones remove much of the skin. As stated before, species and cultivar are needed for the caption, I will have a look around. Thanks. --liquidGhoul 00:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Rather staid and boring shot of (to be honest) a boring subject. Is this photo really the best of the best?? Madman 05:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • weak oppose - better angle on the cut potatoe would much improve it. And with the common-ness of the subject, a redo is feasible. Debivort 09:23, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Ok, nice product shot. Just like the bell pepper, but will this lead to your whole kitchen inventory ending up on this page sliced in half over the next few weeks? --Dschwen 11:24, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know - that's all I've done if that's what you are asking. Do you think it would benefit Wikipedia if I took more? --Fir0002 22:11, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Fir, it would benefit Wikipedia. And I'm glad that we found a standard setup for shots like this. But thats exactly the point. I'm not sure it would benefit FPC to have your kitchen inventory posted. These shots are the necessary standard to depict a fruit. Anything less is unacceptable. So, while being encyclopedically great pictures I don't see them lacking in the stunningness department. Of course, if you nominating each pic here is the condition for taking those pictures, well knock yourself out. I'll just ignore them then. --Dschwen 07:55, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Why are you discouraging Fir to take more shots? It is great to have these photos on Wiki, and have a standard for how vegetable/fruit shots should be taken. --liquidGhoul 23:34, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ahhrrrgghhhhhh, for the love of god! We've been through this. I'm not discouraging anyone to take more shots. What's so difficult in keeping the two things apart from each other, taking and contributing shots and posting them on FPC. With your logic we should nominate every picture and delete each one that doesn't pass FPC. Now that doesn't make any sense, right? Why? Because pictures can be wanted, valid, and usefull contributions without being featured. --Dschwen 07:38, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sorry, I read your sentence wrong (missed "on this page"). I completely agree with what you have said above. I have contributed heaps of photos, and am trawling the net for people who can contribute Aussie frog photos, just to improve the encyclopaedia. Featured pictures are a bonus, and only worth it if you can put up with all the crap, and I have not found it worthwhile of late. --liquidGhoul 13:26, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ignore away, these are excellent enc pics that definately deserve FP. I'd like to see a half-opened banana next, or a closeup of a stick of cinnamon! --frothT C 05:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very nice image, I like how you didn't clean the potato so that it would be more natural. (not to mention the yum factor :D)Arjun 15:00, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, add little encyclopedic value mostly because the subject has so few interesting features; however other problems include that they variety is unknown and the dirt is covering the features of the skin. If you're looking for something that would be a useful illustration for the potato article, maybe try recreating this basic science experiment since it illustrates something interesting and encyclopedic about the make-up of the potato.--Peta 01:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Good but not special. Also I don't like different sizes of the two parts. Olegivvit 13:01, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, could be better but this image is still really good. Yuser31415 05:04, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional. The sliced potato is about the same for me as the water drops on the capsicum picture. I would really like to see a sliver of skin on the sliced potato, just to give it some more form, but it's still good as-is. So for now, I oppose to promote a reshoot, but will support if some of the above comments are addressed. --Tewy 05:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry but Mum/Dad(?) bought those potatoes in a big sack, and the only remaining ones are in not optimum form (unsuitable for photography due to blemishes/wrinkling). I live in a small town, and the only potatoes availble at the general store are polished and washed (which I consider a bad feature for this scene). Next time I'll get some more of these potatoes would be in two or three weeks. So I could try with the washed potatoes, or you'd have to wait two/three weeks. But overall - is it worth the sweat? I mean personally as far as visible skin is concerned I can take it or leave it. --Fir0002 09:59, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well in that case, I'll support this image. And if you come across more in the future, it would be nice to see another nomination. :-) --Tewy 21:54, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment. For what it's worth, which may be something given a few people have commented on this, I'm pretty sure this is a Sebago Potato (can find no article on this on Wikipedia). --jjron 09:12, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted . Close, but I'm not totally sure I can call this consensus. Raven4x4x 06:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This is "Boulevard du Temple", the first ever photograph of a person. The photo was taken by Louis Daguerre in late 1838 or early 1839. It is of a busy street, but because exposure time was over ten minutes, the city traffic was moving too much to appear. The exception is a man in the bottom left corner, who stood still getting his boots polished long enough to show.
Reason
historical: first photograph of a person
Articles this image appears in
Photography, Louis Daguerre
Creator
Louis Daguerre
Nominator
AndonicO Talk | Sign Here
  • SupportAndonicO Talk | Sign Here 14:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support wow, nice picture considering its age. Very historical and clean. — Arjun 14:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Per all above.--¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here 15:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support meets the historic and encyclopedic criteria, in addition to size. Support per nom.--Andrew c 15:50, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support – I had originally uploaded this image with the intention of nominating it; the picture is of historical significance and is in remarkable condition considering its age. However, the reason that I did not ever nominate it was that all of the information about it, including the caption, has been assembled from various personal web pages. Before we feature this, we should cite a reliable academic source who agrees that this picture is what we say it is. --Arctic Gnome 19:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I find the explanation on the image page ... the city traffic was moving too much to appear. The exception is a man in the bottom left corner, who stood still getting his boots polished long enough to show a bit unbelievable, since the exposure time is claimed to be ten minutes. You would not stand totally still for 10 minutes with one leg lifted for boot polishing! Rather, it may be a person placed there by the photographer. Withholding my vote until any "hearsay" is cleared up. --Janke | Talk 22:15, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I doubt he was a plant; the artist would have just taken a picture of a person up close if that were what he wanted. The man need not have stood perfectly still that whole time; I'm sure he spent the ten minutes shifting around within a few inches and changing feet, but that wouldn't have made a difference for the image. The caption should read that he stood still enough while getting his boots polished. --Arctic Gnome 01:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • The explanation on this page must be at least an exaggeration, too - 'Although, as a contemporary noted at the time, the boulevard in question was "constantly filled with a moving throng of pedestrians and carriages", the street in Daguerre's early photograph appeared to be completely deserted "except for an individual who was having his boots brushed."' A street constantly filled with a throng of moving people would surely not photograph as a clean white pavement, utterly disregarding anyone who was not motionless for the entire exposure - it would photograph with dark blurs in any areas where people were present for a significant portion of the exposure. I suppose this could simply indicate differing expectations of what a 'constantly filled' street looks like.... TSP 22:54, 30 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • I don't think it's an exaggeration, just a different use of terms. When I think of a "busy street", I'm thinking of downtown Toronto at rush hour. I'd bet that by 1830s standards, "busy street" just meant several carriages, not a whole line of them. --Arctic Gnome 01:43, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
As far as I know (and I've read about this in a scientific journal) it is indeed true that there was a lot of traffic, but it cannot be seen because of the long exposure time. It seems weird but it is true. Whether this is the first picture of a person is something I don't know, but since this is one of the first Daguerretypes this is very likely. Anyhow this is one of the most important pictures ever made and therefore I am going to support this one.-Wutschwlllm 00:11, 31 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Support Nice --Fir0002 01:47, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Boulevard du Temple.jpg Raven4x4x 06:53, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Juglans regia walnut, grown in California.
This is the new version, taking into consideration the comments of the voters. (Edit 1)
Is this fine? (Edit 2)
Edit 3, edit of verstion 2 by Fir0002
Reason
A hi-res image, shows the details of a walnut clearly, and seems to meet the criteria. Alternate option: Image:English Walnut (version2).jpg.
Articles this image appears in
Juglans regia, Walnut
Creator
AndonicO: It's my first self-nom.
Nominator
AndonicO Talk | Sign Here

Weak Support Edit 1 or 3. Not much of a fan of the lighting, but good enc value --Fir0002 02:06, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:English Walnuts.jpg Raven4x4x 06:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reason
Great angle, clear, and an excellent subect.
Articles this image appears in
F-22A Raptor, and Airplane, and many many more.
Creator
United States Air Force
Nominator
Why1991

Withdrawn by nominator. --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This photo shows Joseph Kittinger's record-breaking skydive in 1960 from 102,800 feet (33,133 meters), with temperatures lower than -90°F (-67.7°C) and virtually no oxygen in the air. The record still stands today.
Reason
high-quality, breath-taking photo, and just plain awesome
Articles this image appears in
Joseph Kittinger; Project Excelsior
Creator
camera attached to the helium balloon he jumped from (technically counted as a US Air Force employee)
Nominator
Floaterfluss (talk) (contribs)
Why would someone who attempts the highest skydive have notability issues? Anyway, the nomination is about the quality and encyclopedic value, not the depicted person. - Mgm|(talk) 11:15, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (as uploader), would prefer better quality, but this is really one of those incredibly unique historical images. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 07:29, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Caption suggestion, Joseph Kittinger steps out of the gondola for Excelsior III, the highest skydive of all time, 102,800 feet (33,100 meters) above the Earth. The jump took place on 16 August 1960 as part of Project Excelsior, a series of tests of high-altitude parachute systems by the U.S. Air Force. His ascent took an hour and a half and set new records for manned ballooning altitude, and his descent reached a terminal velocity over 600 mph. The seal on his right glove failed, exposing him to the thin atmosphere and ambient temperatures below -90°F (-68°C).
  • Support A hiDEF photo that is encyclopedic and "awesome". S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 08:16, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's unique and significant, and a good picture, but it's not a great picture. The composition is extremely unbalanced, there is a lot of grain, and the colors are the extreme lighting makes the foreground (including the subject) tough to look at.--ragesoss 10:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I really don't think a better quality image could've been created in those circumstances.
Erm...it was taken during the early 60's in extreme condition :p — Arjun 14:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support considering the historical significance of this picture and really pretty good technically. — Arjun 14:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Certainly not high def., more like blurry disposable camera crap. But the picture tells a story, it immediately converys whats going on. It gives context with the balloon gondola, and the far-away cloud sea, and a guy who obviously just jumped. It fulfills a key criteria FPs should have, it makes you curious, makes you want to know more. --Dschwen 14:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Wow. What a photo! Interesting, encylopedic and historically significant! Ackatsis 03:29, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Aside from the "photocrapped" stuff and high rez stuff, I find the subject matter really moving in this pic.--293.xx.xxx.xx 10:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Far from great quality but enough encyclopedic value to support it. Actually, someone else jumped higher and survived (I forget who) but he was unconscious when he arrived on the ground, so it didn't count. There's also this French guy (of who I forget the name), who pans to beat the record this year. NauticaShades 14:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Kittinger-jump.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 19:17, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reason
aesthetically pleasing, amazing and encyclopedic image.
Articles this image appears in
* Sierra Nevada (US),Inyo County, CaliforniaEscarpment,Owens Valley
Creator
G. Thomas
Nominator
JorcogaYell!
The Sierra Escarpment in Owens Valley, California, from the Inyo Mountains. Looking into the Sierra Nevada Mountain Range.

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 23:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Version 1. A wild shortbeak echidna, taken in grassland in Swifts Creek, Victoria, Australia
Alternative

OK, I've tried a zoo shot of a shortbeak echidna (which was unpopular to say the least ;-) so here's a geniune authentic wild version. As you can see because it is in "the wild" there is no great photo op locations, and I had to make do with a few in the way stalks of grass. The echidna was making it's way towards a dense cluster of bushes and so I had only about 10 metres of open grass to play with. And to add to all of this he was camera shy and would very quickly duck down into a ball at the sound of the shutter - blurring several photos. However I'm quite happy with this shot and thought it worth nominating.

That was my reasoning also, the firs on has too many twigs, branches, etc. — Arjun 18:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done, thanks ;-) --Fir0002 09:04, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Wild shortbeak echidna.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:28, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

2005-issue penny obverse
Reason
The original FP penny is facing a delist for its unauthentic cameo effect. This version is crisp and clear and though it's a little bright on Lincoln's head (maybe someone can touch up the color balance?) I think it's probably the best shot available. It seems to be lit from very close to vertical so there are minimal shadows. It's extremely detailed and high-resolution.
Articles this image appears in
Cent (United States coin) Lincoln cent
Creator
US Mint
Nominator
frothT C

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:24, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A mountain stream.
Reason
From my viewpoint this is a very high quality image. I found it whilst random articling. — Arjun 04:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
Barrington Tops National Park
Creator
DanF
Nominator
Arjun

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:23, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Robocup Team Osaka's VisiON.jpg
A robot from Team Osaka's Robocup
Reason
I feel that the picture is of good quality, freely licensed, and describes the subject well.
Articles this image appears in
Robot, RoboCup
Creator
BradBeattie
Nominator
Brad Beattie (talk)

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:21, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Radar image of Titan, from Cassini
Reason
Scientists have uncovered evidence of the existence of lakes filled with liquid methane on Saturn's moon Titan. Although the existence of such lakes or oceans has been predicted for 20 years, this is the first time that convincing evidence has been gathered due to a dense haze preventing a closer look. Radar images taken by the spacecraft Cassini during a fly-by of the moon on July 22nd last year show more than 75 large bodies of liquid ranging in diameter from three to 70km in the moon's northern hemisphere. It was taken by the Cassini spacecraft, and is a NASA public domain license. It currently appears in the Titan article
Articles this image appears in
Titan (moon)
Creator
NASA
Nominator
Preetikapoor0
  • SupportPreetikapoor0 22:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. The news section would be a better place. I realize the scientific finding is moderately spectacular, but the picture isn't. --Dschwen 23:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support perhaps not the most striking of images, but it is very encyclopedic, very informative, and very rare (due to contemporary technological limitations). The image is also technically flawless, being very large and without artifacts or noise. There are few pictures like this on Wikipedia; I think it's reasonable to call this one of our best pictures. Jellocube27 02:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It's not interesting like a featured picture needs to be. Like Dschwen said try to get it nominated in another category and it should do well. Why1991 03:31, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
  • support - lakes on a moon of Saturn = spectacular in my book. Debivort 05:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral Higly encyclopedic, but not exactly what I would call a Wow image. — Arjun 05:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral Although it has an encyclopedic level that is off the pages, it's a pretty lousy picture. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 05:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — Amazing photograph. How is this image NOT interesting? Certainly spectacular, as Debivort stated. ♠ SG →Talk 06:24, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Folks are ooh-ing and aah-ing over a Photoshopped picture of a coin, but complain about a close-up image of an object a light hour away? Is this reverse week? ~ trialsanderrors 08:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • But this is just a radar image, it could be anything anywhwere. There is no indication in the picture itself that this is a lighthour away or that we are seeing methane lakes. Don't get me wrong here, as a physicist I'm all for the excitement of the find, the pic on its own is what I find unremarkable/unspectacular. --Dschwen 09:09, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I like it. Better than the coin too. --Iriseyes 13:44, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I think the picure is attractive, it's encyclopedic, difficult to reproduce and of high quality, the only thing that isn't so great is the blank space, which could perhaps be cropped out to give a smaller overall picture or be filled in as the research continues? Personally I think there is more than enough explanation on the image page of what it is and with a bit of a tweak the thumbnail caption could convey exactly what the picture is of. Terri G 14:32, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Dschwen said it. --Bridgecross 20:49, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Very encyclopedic photo, but do something about the black space that comes with images like these. MER-C 12:45, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support -- is this not one of the better pictures in Wikipedia? It is certainly more interesting than potatoes and coins, no matter how technical perfect those shots are. Madman 19:02, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • strong support. I believe that like the photo of Edison and Phonograph , we should see the macroimportance of this image rather than just the quality. It revealed the liquid methane lakes on the Titan, which nobody had seen before. It was important enough to on the COVER of Nature, [4] which is the most prestigious journal in whole scientific world. I think that alone is sufficient to meet the criteria of a featured picture. Preetikapoor0 22:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - False color suggests dirt and water, which would give the average viewer an inaccurate impression. Choice of angle is a bad idea: if you're not soing to show a true landscape, use an isomorphic (map) projection. Also needs distance key. I think the raw data could be turned into a FP, but whoever's running the post-processing for NASA went for "pretty" over "encyclopedic". —Dgiest c 08:41, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The problem is that Cassini is orbiting Saturn and not Titan. so you do not have any control over the angle of view or the distance and due to this you rarely get the opportunity to take a picture of titan. We do not have many options as this is the ONLY image that NASA has. Intensity in this colorized image is proportional to how much radar brightness is returned, or more specifically, the logarithm of the radar backscatter cross-section. The colors are not a representation of what the human eye would see. The lakes, darker than the surrounding terrain, are emphasized here by tinting regions of low backscatter in blue. Radar-brighter regions are shown in tan. The image is centered near 80 degrees north, 35 degrees west and is about 140 kilometers (84 miles) across. Smallest details in this image are about 500 meters (1,640 feet) across. 68.61.233.160 02:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:PIA09102PIA09102 Liquid Lakes on Titan.jpg Raven4x4x 07:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Banded cleaner shrimp, Stenopus hispidus
Reason
I have received some nice comments about this picture, and it shows the shrimp in its natural habitat.
Articles this image appears in
Stenopus hispidus
Creator
Laban712
Nominator
Laban712
  • SupportLaban712 09:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Looks like it's shot in somebodies intestines :-). Nice quality apart from the low DOF. But the main problem I see is that a full frontal shot of that critter makes it hard to guess its structure. What's the head, where are the legs and antennae attached. It's just a bit confusing. --Dschwen 10:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Dschwen makes good points, but I fault more towards aesthetics in my judgments. I let others haggle over encyclopedic value and whatnot. I love the background lighting and the vignette effect. Focus on most of the critter is good. He even seems to glow a bit. I personally prefer a shallow depth of field in many cases for the sake of setting the subject apart from the foreground and/or background … which this photo does very nicely, yet still gives us a sense of placement in the environment. In fact, the DOF as it stands makes this photo all the better since, as Dschwen mentions, it is difficult to define the body parts of the shrimp from this angle. Since he is IN focus (most of him) and the rest of the image is OUT of focus, his body stands out and thus makes for a good portrait photo.-- Mactographer 11:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Subject is interesting and I'm willing to give a little leeway for poor DOF, but so much of the subject is out of focus it distracts my attention and makes me think the real subject is the intestine-like tube. Also hard to make out the animal's body plan. —Dgiest c 16:39, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, mactographer brings up good points --frothT C 20:29, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support An incredible picture with great encyclopedic value. In this case, I think the minor defects can be overlooked. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 20:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support well I can't say what has already been said. — Arjun 05:54, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The focus is not up to FP standards - Adrian Pingstone 11:15, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sort of looks like the background was out of some text book that was pasted in behind the shrimp. I think the angle is all wrong for the shrimp itself as well. Terri G 15:20, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Well, I can agree that the picture has a somewhat surreal effect, but it's not altered (except for color correction which is always necessary for UW shots). I shot it hovering over the opening of the cylindrical sponge, so the shrimp was actually looking up at me. It's shot at 15 meters depth and in a pretty strong current, so I was pretty amazed when I saw how well the focus turned out. Then again, it is macro DOF, but I sort of like the effect.--Laban712 16:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose...back to the picture (although I was considering envelope pictures for my two "sents"), I don't like it. The focus isn't up to par as per Adrian, but aside from that I think it's a truly ugly image. It looks like the cancer-infected inside of an ear...the background is simply too distracting. --Iriseyes 23:45, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose It's just not that appealing and the bottom left corner seems a little blurier than the rest of the picture. It's okay but I don't think it is the best. Why1991 00:15, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Comment. I certainly acknowledge everyone's right to think that the background is weird-looking, ugly, intestine-looking or whatever. I just want to state that 1. Cleaner shrimps live on or in corals/sponges. 2. This shrimp, at the time pictured, lived inside a sponge and thus is representative of cleaner shrimps. 3. What you're seeing in the image is what a fish coming in to have its body cleansed would see. This makes it encyclopedic in my book. I agree that it does not show the shrimp's behind very well, and that probably the other pic is better suited in the taxobox (bodyplan etc.). The nominated pic shows the shrimp in its natural habitat, preparing to do what it does for a living.--Laban712 12:42, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Weak support. Yep, that convinced me. We already have a picture showing the body plan and this picture has its own merits. Though for a strong support I'd have preferred a slightly different angle on the shimp. --Dschwen 12:48, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per Mactographer's comments. Also, I don't find anything wrong with the background. --Aqua 06:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:25, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Female Metallic Ringtail (Austrolestes cingulatus)
Alternative

An excellent photo of the Metallic Ringtail damsefly. Took a bit of hunting to get a good clear shot of it (I spotted the blue colored male a few times but he was too elusive), but this one has good colors and focus.

Yeah I think it's eating some kind of bug/fly which does add interest, but personally I think it was a little unfortunate that the fly was on it's wings at the time. --Fir0002 21:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Now as it might matter again I restrict my support to the alternative version. Focus is more important to me too. --Dschwen 17:08, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative. It's hard to tell that it's actually eating something if you haven't seen the original shot, but the alternative's focus is much better --frothT C 22:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I like both images a lot. I prefer the “original” due to its pleasing bokeh which contrasts the head , upper body and legs better than in the alternative version. Will support if place and date of photograph are given on the image page for encylopaedic factor.--Melburnian 23:33, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Done --Fir0002 01:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support with preference for original as above. Nice work.--Melburnian 05:35, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Austrolestes cingulatus03.jpg Raven4x4x 07:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Obverse of a penny 16 years in circulation, with a worn out cameo and lots of scratches (compare to the proof coin).
Crap all over the coin. They don't look like scratches since some cast shadows.
edit1 - lightened shadow
Articles this image appears in
Cent (United States coin)
Creator
User:Dschwen, Nominator: Dschwen

Well, since nominating pennies seems to be en vogue I thought I throw this one in for the fun of it (as my one cents :-) ). I just had the idea for a linear-macro-panoramic-image technique and had to try it out. This one is assembled from 16 macro shots. The camera was static and I moved the coin after each shot. The BG (white paper) and the shadow looked quite crappy, so I gimped them (sue me!). Oh yeah, it is downsized from 9 to 4 megapixels. One pixel corresponds pretty much exactly to 10µm x 10µm.

  • SupportDschwen 23:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose there is no need to duplicate the Featured pictures. The image is not very attractive either, especially on the edges. — Arjun 23:38, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's nothing in the criteria that says an image has to be attractive. This image illustrates a weathered penny, so of course it isn't going to be pretty. --Tewy 04:01, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • and not to get technical Arjun, but there are not two penny FPs. The other one is still a candidate as well. Not that there's anything in the rules about having multiple FPs of the same subject! --Bridgecross 14:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 1. What the hey, it's a nice shot. I love the resolution and sharpness. There will probably be some arguments for the encyclopedic value of this, but I think this does a great job at showing what a penny goes through. --Tewy 23:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support agree with Tewy. Impressive detail, and shows an important encyclopedic aspect of coins - that they are for every day, they get thrown around, thrown in the wash, mixed in with pocket lint (you can see fibers on this coin), etc. I like this image a lot for that aspect, plus it is very well done. Mak (talk) 23:55, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, we shouldn't have 2 versions of the same thing concurrently as candidates. Also it's ugly, the other penny is much clearer and cleaner. Also I don't like the ridiculously high resolution. And the shadow on the left is clearly fake since none of the features of the coin have shadows --frothT C 00:03, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Actually I agree that the shadow is a little strong. Edit 1? --Tewy 00:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The shadow looks perfectly real to me. Did you view the image at full size? It's quite easy to see the shadows on the coin itself. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 01:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • They're nowhere near at that angle. The kicker is that almost the entire shadow is the exact same color- try using the fill tool with 0% tolerance. I don't believe this occurs naturally.. also the border between the left side of the coin and the big shadow looks magic-wanded. --frothT C 01:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • As you pointed out below, Dschwen stated it was fake. --Tewy 02:38, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, I didn't explore the left-side large shadow in detail, but I accept that it's problematic if people have done analysis on it. I would add, however, that "they're nowhere near at that angle" is a far cry from "none of the features of the coin have shadows"... which I what I was originally disputing. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 03:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • The fake shadow coincides exactly with the real shadow the coin casted. Lighting came from the right at an angle of about 60° off the normal. Do the math, measure a pennies thickness and you will see the shadow matches. --Dschwen 07:23, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Now this is my favourite: I don't like the ridiculously high resolution. *pause* welcome to the 21st century. I mean... cooooome oooon, 1000px is the absolute minimum on this page (well yeah, you nominated a 700 px pic below, sorry, but maybe you have to adjust your standards a little) so 2000px doesn't seem like that much of leap to me. --Dschwen 07:53, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Also, lincoln's head is so damaged that it's barely distinguishable --frothT C 00:06, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree completely with that, the head is damaged too much. — Arjun 00:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But isn't that exactly the point? This image serves to show what happens to a penny after the usual wear and tear, not how it looks coming out of the mint. If you want a shiny penny, scroll down to the other nomination. --Tewy 00:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I thought the point was to show what a penny looks like. --frothT C 02:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I think if Dschwen just wanted to show what a penny looked like, he would have picked a newer penny. --Tewy 02:47, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well that goes without saying.. I mean that FPs should demonstrate their subjects. You can't do much with a penny other than show what it looks like. "Showing how it wears down while in circulation" is kind of a lame rationale, you have to admit --frothT C 03:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Come on, please tone it down a little. Sure I could have used a newer penny, or cleaned this one. That was a deliberate choice to set the pic off from the other pennies, and avoid doubling nominations. --Dschwen 07:27, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Intriguing technique (and good results) - but would a simple scanner at 600 dpi do the trick? At any rate nice pic but I would strongly prefer a much lighter shadow (say 50% of it's current darkness) and maybe make it softer as well. --Fir0002 00:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • As for the scanner, the current version has 2540 dpi, and that is scaled down from 4300 dpi. But yeah, if you have a nice scanner sure. For the shadow I oriented myself after the original, but sure, I guess I could make it lighter. --Dschwen 07:34, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. There are two things that bother me about this image. While I like the overall concept, and would like to see a "distressed" penny shot to compare to the proof penny, this shouldn't be the one. First of all, there's no evidence that this coin has been in circulation for 16 years. Just because it was minted 16 years ago does not mean that it's been in circulation that long. Secondly, I think we should use an even "worse" penny for the shot, to highlight the amount of wear that occurs over the years. I would suggest something from the 70s or 80s. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 00:55, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I didn't even notice but it looks like Dschwen admits to creating the shadow artificially --frothT C 02:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Does anyone else see the crap all over the coin? (2nd image) --frothT C 02:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm...I personally dislike the shadow (hence I opposed) makes it look thick. Also is it just me or does it look like that the penny is turned slightly to the right. — Arjun 02:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Certain parts may be off but look at liberty, it's perfect. Maybe stitching problems? --frothT C 02:51, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Ohhh epithelials and fibres, lets do a DNA test :-). Seriously I didn't bother cleaning the coin and shot it just out of my change purse. About the shadow geometry see above. --Dschwen 07:49, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Like most other US coins, this nomination should be put on hold until copyright status can be cleared up. The template is certainly false. See US Mint terms of use: "You should not assume anything on this site is necessarily in the public domain." ~ trialsanderrors 07:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • This picture is not from the US Mint website. But you are right, there is a special tag {{money-US}} — for images of the official currency of the U.S. These are ineligible for copyright, and therefore in the public domain. as it says on Wikipedia:Image_copyright_tags/All. --Dschwen 07:42, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see no evidence that this is based on fact, and quite a bit of counterevidence. In my understanding, copyrights are held on the likenesses of the images used for the coins by third parties which are then assigned to the US Mint under 17 USC §105 as "work for hire", so who took the photograph doesn't matter. The tag looks more like someone assumed "US Government → public domain" and extended it to the US Mint, which is patently wrong. You're a long-time Wikipedian, you should know that statements made on Wikipedia are unreliable unless they're supported by a reliable outside source. There is no such thing on the {{money-US}} tag. ~ trialsanderrors 08:57, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Well, the design is by Victor David Brenner who died in 1924, which is over 80 years ago, and the work was published before 1923 ([5]). Even if he was the copyright holder to my (flaky) knowledge it wouldn't matter anymore. Plus on their website the us mint only mentions the photographers copyright on penny pics [6]. --Dschwen 09:25, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. According to Fir's suggestion I lightened the shadow, and I actually prefer it. It makes the coin stick out more. Sorry about the shadow blurring, that takes a little more time (to get the match right at the top and bottom edges I'd have to apply a blur-radius gradient making the shadow sharper to the right, if you know what I mean). --Dschwen 08:18, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Edit 1. Thanks for the edit, the lighter one is much better - fair enough if the shadow softening is too difficult for little gain. --Fir0002 21:36, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support edit 1 - I wish you had brushed it off a bit, but I really like the resolution and the wear and tear. --Iriseyes 21:32, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. I don't like that part of this image is fake, and to me the edge of the coin does not look right.. I don't think it should be difficult to take another picture of a penny, unlike some subjects. Use just any older penny and the same setup, except perhaps a different light source.say1988 17:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Just to comment on the not difficult, it took me over two hours to produce that image. Half an hour to take the pictures (used a timer to avoid shake) and the assembling. Then 1.5 hours to get the optimum DOF by manual editing of the stitching masks. --Dschwen 17:38, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I am sorry I didn't phrase that well, in fact very poorly. I did not mean to refer to the actual process, but the subject and that are not that difficult to set up. I am more critical of a photo of a common subject in normal circumstances than a shot that cannot be repeated a will (time allowing). I did not mean it as an insult, and would like to apoligise. say1988 01:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per say1988. Madman 19:08, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1. Quite an original take at the common penny, and I love it. This is the real 1 cent peice we know, not the flawless mint ones. And the stuff on it isn't crap, it's authentic material from the inside of a pocket. NauticaShades 11:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Love the surface of the coin, it's certainly a change from the stripper tits fake cameo crap. But I see three problems that keep this from being FP; 1. Fake shadow doesn't go with the "realism" of the coin face. 2. There seems to be some crosshatching which I assume comes from the panoramic technique. And 3. and most critically, the rim of the coin is seen from all sides. There's also some artifact sticking into the fake shadow that's just jarring. ~ trialsanderrors 08:32, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I don't quite understand what zou mean bz crosshatching. The artifact is an epithelial from handling the money :-). And a tiny bit of rim is indeed seen, but it can easily be confused with the bevelled edge of the coin (so you are probably overestimating it). The overall appearance is darn close to the real thing I have lying in front of me now. --Dschwen 09:01, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I see diagonal hatches at 45 degrees going both from bottom left to top right (they're pretty obvious) and from top left to bottom right (they're not quite as obvious, but check the area to the right of his forehead). I doubt that such a pattern can occur from natural wear and tear, so I assume it's a result of the technique. As is the perspective distortion that shows the rim from all sides. The artifact could've been photoshopped out, especially the with way you added the shadow. ~ trialsanderrors 09:39, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - While it might be good to have a circulated coin as an example, it shouldn't be one with spots. Patina can be nice (and typical for an old coin), but a spot is a defect. —Dgiest c 16:15, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Spots and defects aren't a problem; they can make for an interesting figure. Shadows are relistic on difference in height of coin, and in height of the relief. But what the spots and defects do show is that it really hasn't been in circulation that much; rather, it has been hoarded somewhere, in a place that got some moisture, and it stuck to te coin(s) above it. You can see the transferred ridges from contact with another coin, most clearly around Lincoln's neck but elsewhere as well. Gene Nygaard 01:58, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:21, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Royal Exhibition Building in Melbourne, Australia
Reason
It is an excellent picture of a beautiful building with much clarity and a flower border at the bottom.
Articles this image appears in
Royal Exhibition Building, and Australia
Creator
Diliff
Nominator
¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:18, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I am renominating this image per the request of Ahadland as the original nomination (at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Titanic Wreckage) did not receive very much attention. In terms of technical quality, the picture is not as good as many other candidates. However, as the subject is unique and lies at a depth of 3.8 kilometers below the ocean surface, getting a better photograph may be difficult. The image appears in the article RMS Titanic.

  • Nominate and neutral support. --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:29, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose- Historically significant, and the resolution isn't really a problem... It's just a really ugly picture. --Lewk_of_Serthic contrib talk 14:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • 'Oppose Not a very good image. — Arjun 15:03, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Yes it is historically significant but a more interesting and better picture can be found.--¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here 15:52, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - In both this nomination and the previous, people are saying "there must be better pictures out there". I'm not sure how much I believe that - there have only been a handful of expeditions and how many produced public domain images? "Ugliness" is a non-criteria for denying FP status in this case: shipwrecks are ugly. Previous complaints about darkness are silly too: The subject is reasonably visible and this is at the bottom of the ocean, greater lighting would make it look like a museum piece. This is a non-grainy, well focused, stylishly lit, medium resolution photograph of a very historic subject, and has nice visual interest. —Dgiest c 16:20, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support – Striking image, and satisfactory in terms of technical quality. While it'd be nice if they raised the Titanic to allow for other freely-licensed images to be taken, this seems somewhat unlikely – so the photograph gets additional kudos for being rare and historically significant. GeeJo (t)(c) • 17:42, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose despite the documental value and because I don't hear any bells ringing. Ugliness is a perfectly legitimate evaluation criterium, together with all the other subjective ones (including beauty and enc value). If the evaluation process were objective, we could all go home. Alvesgaspar 18:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Great enc very rare shot --frothT C 22:10, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Barely meets the resolution requirements. Even if it passes, it will probably be delisted in a year or so as the requirements are growing stricter.--HereToHelp 22:43, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
erm...I think the Scream is beautiful. But that is just my "two-cents" :D — Arjun 23:39, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support very iconic image, plus big historical value. It's not like anyone can just go and and take another shot.-Andrew c 01:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment I think you are missing the point, just because it would be hard to take the shot...that alone does not qualify to be a FP. I quote from WP:WIAFP,"Be Wikipedia's best work". To me this is not wikipedia's best work. — Arjun 02:32, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I think you're missing the meaning of "best work". It's not just the best photography.. WP is an encyclopedia and enc is the most important element of "best work". --frothT C 03:44, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Obviously "best" is subjective. Oftentimes the "best" photography found in magazines is blurry, cropped dynamically, shallow depth of field, over saturated and many other things that voters here would vote 'no' on pricipal alone. To me, personally, this image is very iconic, and very historical. I've seen it many times before and is almost the quintessential image of the Titanic. While it may not be the 'best' possible photo, it meets my reading of the FPC criteria. And my reading says that you weight uniquiness against other criteria. If 'best' was the only criteria, I would never vote for the Washington Monument because I personally find that structure drab, and therefore any photo of it would be boring in my opinion.--Andrew c 17:37, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support per froth. SD31415 · SIGN HERE 12:43, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Historically significant, not really imbued with any major technical flaws, and i think it is encyclopedic; and given that we're maintaining an encyclopedia, i think its worth being listed as a Featured Picture —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahadland1234 (talkcontribs).
  • Restating my comment from last time I don't know how notable this photo would be if people didn't regognize the shape and style of the railing from the 1997 movie (e.g. featuring the scene "I'm the king of the world!"). This part of the ship would (in my estimation) not have any particular significance to us today if it had not been featured so prominently in the film, and in the marketing for the film, including the movie poster and the Celine Dion music video. Spebudmak 19:52, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Are you arguing therefore that the image is historically insignificant and not worth featured picture status? Well, given that the American 1 cent coin is well known to pretty much every person in America, does that stop it from being featured. Just because something is recognized across the world, doesnt mean it shouldnt be featured. And given that your issue is about the bow being immortalised in the film; lets say the film was never made, im sure many would agree that the image is still significant from a historical point of view
  • I'm not saying it's insignificant, just that its significance is affected by the inclusion in the film. It would still have some significance even if the film had not been made, but perhaps not as much. I'm just raising the issue, not voting pro or con.Spebudmak 05:40, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • And if the Titanic had been a tugboat, this image wouldn't be notable enough either. But it wasn't a tugboat, and it was featured in the film. Hypotheticals don't help one bit in determining whether an image is feature-worthy. It is what it is. GeeJo (t)(c) • 19:43, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
No anonymous votes, please - Alvesgaspar 12:41, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
The above has one edit...this edit. — Arjun 03:43, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Titanic-bow seen from MIR I submersible.jpeg Raven4x4x 07:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Indian-bride-02.jpg
Version #2
Reason
I think it’s well posed, colorful and somewhat exotic.
Articles this image appears in
Wedding dress
Indian wedding
Creator
en:User:Mactographer
Nominator
Mactographer


  • NominateMactographer 09:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. Pictures of people have a hard time here for some reason. This one is not bad, and I like how it shows several features of the bride, like gown, henna tattoos, and jewlery. I holding back the support due to size reasons for now. 0.6 MP seems a little measly to me. --Dschwen 14:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Support now. I sort of agree with Alves on the occidental bride thing, but this picture has informational value for me, and I really like the composition (plus the quality is great). As Alves also said, if the evaluation process were completely objective we could all go home :-) --Dschwen 19:37, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I must agree with the above statement.--¿Why1991 ESP. | Sign Here 15:50, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 2 a very encyclopedic image, also very clear in my eyes. — Arjun 16:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I don't think the expression of the bride is particularly interesting, which should be a most important element in any human portrait. Because I also don't believe exoticism is enough for enc value, the question I put to myself is: how would this picture be evaluated if this same woman were dressed as an occidental bride? - Alvesgaspar 17:31, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support version 2 (which is really version one if you think about it...but whatever). The expression is fine. The exoticness compensates for it.--HereToHelp 22:46, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Technically speaking this is a poor picture for illustrative purposes. The subject is not well framed; both her fingers and her shoulder are cropped off, which is quite unacceptable. For documentary purposes, the colors and expression are what they are, and the image does appear to be appropriately focused and all that. This is undoubtedly a very decent memento of someone's wedding, but as a documentary image it is definitely lacking. As to exoticness: I cannot see how an image of an Indian bribe is "exotic", given the rather large number of women who every day must either look like this or are trying to look like this. I'm all for combating cultural bias, but we don't do that by parading everyday images of non-Western culture as "exotic". Kelly Martin (talk) 01:02, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • The exoticness specifically referred to western bias. I laude you political correctness, but simply ignoring that a westerner has a western-bias is counterproductive. Reflecting upon it like Alves is more helpful. Fact is Alves(?) and me are from the western hemisphere and while statistically (I guess) one in six weddings is an indian wedding virtually no indian weddings take place on our doorsteps. --Dschwen 08:35, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose -- It's an okay portrait, but generally an unremarkable image and not of the best Wikipedia has to offer, IMO. By exotic, I assume is meant "foreign," in which case essentializing western perspectives is inappropriate for an encyclopedia used and edited by people from all over and from lots of different cultures, regardless of where they live. (Any weddings on my doorstep are as likely to be "non-western" as "western," and I'm in the western hemisphere too). And if the "exotic" factor isn't heavily weighted, then there's really no "wow" factor here at all. Bobanny 18:54, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Uhum, it is as likely? Well my friend the reality here is different. And how spectacular or surprising an image seems is in the eye of the boholder after all. Ah well and forgive me for not tip-toeing around backwards and colonialistic terms like exotic. --Dschwen 21:08, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • That comment annoyed me especially since I tried to point out my personal awareness of that bias just in the paragraph above, but no I still get the same lecture again. --Dschwen 21:11, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • I don't doubt it's different where you are; I was just trying to point out that your reality isn't the universal reality of the western hemisphere. It's not about political correctness for me, just ordinary correctness, and I don't see how acknowledging a bias justifies incorporating that bias in an encyclopedia. I agree that what strikes us as exotic can be subjective, but I don't think subjectively held impressions should be weighted heavily in selecting a featured picture is all. Sheeesh. Bobanny 22:13, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Well, if everybody votes to his subjective liking and the audience here is as universal as you say, then any bias should even out. If on the other hand the votership and readership has western bias so be it, then the picture has a novelty value for the majority making it featureworthy. I cannot see anything wrong with that. With the same logic a picture of a rural african village would be unremarkable to you, because millons of people live in such villages and only cultural bias makes them seem special. --Dschwen 22:50, 4 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • My concern is simply that I don't believe that seeing the subject as exotic should tilt the scales in the way that, say, historical significance or extreme rarity does for evaluating photos. For me personally, the subject is exotic, as I'm not Indian, have never been to an Indian wedding, and was raised in a culture where colourful Indian traditions are exotic because they are different. But the Indian bride, as with the rural African village, are common enough subjects that other criteria need to be exceptional to be feature-worthy, regardless of how novel or exotic the subject seems to me or you. I also believe that Wikipedia is dominated by male editors, Americans, etc., and that awareness of that should be used to try and overcome biases, with the ultimate goal of making Wikipedia more inviting to people who aren't as well represented, which in the end would make it a more authoritative source. Maybe that's a little pc, but it's also an ideal for Wikipedia with practical implications that I don't believe many editors would take issue with.Bobanny 01:02, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • Systemic bias, dshwen. Since most wikipedians are western, these pics are bound to be considered "exotic" by the community. We have featured pictures of western stuff too that other cultures might think exotic.. it's not that bad --frothT C 00:47, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • oppose per bobanny --frothT C 00:48, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment & Question That comment from Fruitbasket was rude, but it WAS a support. Doesn't it count in the vote? Why was it removed? -- Mactographer 01:17, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Quite frankly I didn't think of that aspect. But I'm not sure whether we shoud walue such votes. I for one would happily do without. But I guess it's up to the closer, so let me note plus one removed vandal support. --Dschwen 09:31, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. While I'm not overly fond of staged portraits, this one certainly does summarise (to the best of my knowledge anyway) a typical indian bride's costume/appearance. Quality is excellent. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:40, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Version 2. The quality is reasonable and "exotic" or not, it depicts its subject well. NauticaShades 11:33, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - Sorry to raise the question, but is there an authorization of the bride to have her picture reproduced here? That shouldn't be difficult, I presume the photo was shot in the US, right? - Alvesgaspar 14:53, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Reply Yes. She signed a wedding contract that allows uses like this. However, this is the first time I've heard the issue raised on Wiki. Tho I've wondered about it regarding other photos. --Mactographer 05:06, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This map of Jupiter is the most detailed global color map of the planet ever produced. The round map is a polar stereographic projection that shows the south pole in the center of the map and the equator at the edge. It was constructed from images taken by Cassini on Dec. 11 and 12, 2000, as the spacecraft neared Jupiter during a flyby on its way to Saturn. ReaganThe map shows a variety of colorful cloud features, including parallel reddish-brown and white bands, the Great Red Spot, multi-lobed chaotic regions, white ovals and many small vortices. Many clouds appear in streaks and waves due to continual stretching and folding by Jupiter's winds and turbulence. The bluish-gray features along the north edge of the central bright band are equatorial "hot spots," meteorological systems such as the one entered by NASA's Galileo probe. Small bright spots within the orange band north of the equator are lightning-bearing thunderstorms. The polar region shown here is less clearly visible because Cassini viewed it at an angle and through thicker atmospheric haze.
Reason
I am re-nominating this picture because it is the most detailed map of Jupiter ever produced, it was "Image of the Day" at the NASA website, and it has an exellent caption.
Articles this image appears in
Jupiter
Creator
NASA
Nominator
AndonicO Talk | Sign Here
  • Nominate and Support | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 12:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment So why did you remove the FPC tag? Terri G 14:38, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. You already nominated this pic two and a half months ago. Whats the reason for renominating it so quickly? --Dschwen 14:56, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Oops! I had forgotten to remove the fpc tag the last time, and I hadn't decided to re-nominate it again when I removed it. As for why renominate it 2 1/2 months later, is it too early? I thought I had waited enough, but remove you can the nomination if it's too early. It should say somewhere how long we should wait though. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 15:03, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question - There is something unnatural right on the pole. I remember someone asking the same question the last time but I forgot the answer... Are you sure it is the polar stereographic projection (because last time it was the orthographic and I don't see any good reason for that choice, an equal area projection might be better)? Alvesgaspar 16:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • (after edit conflict) The probe came in at an angle, and didn't pass directly under the pole, meaning it didn't have a picture of the very bottom. Instead of leaving a hole, they covered it up with a similar color. | AndonicO Talk | Sign Here 16:12, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Interesting way of looking at the different bands on Jupiter. If they had an animated version, showing the alternating rotation of each band, I would move for Speedy Promote :) — BRIAN0918 • 2007-01-05 21:17Z
    • That would actually be awesome, but as this is map composed from many satellite pictures I guess the chances are low such an animation will be possible. --Dschwen 10:00, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support - I can get over the grey spot, but the edges of the planet seem overly sharpened, as if someone circularly cropped it. I would expect with a gas giant that the edges would be fuzzy, a bit like fuzzy jupiter this one, but I have reservations even on that - Jack (talk) 22:07, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • This isn't a direct snapshot, it's a composite generated from many different pictures. That would explain the sharp edges and the grey area at the pole (that they didn't have any pictures of). Redquark 06:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support A kind of long descrition but an excellent map of an interesting planet. Why1991 00:06, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support. High quality, and I like the fact that it's an unconventional view of Jupiter -- it startles me into looking at it in a new way. I think the image should be renamed "Map of Jupiter's south.jpg" though, since it doesn't show the northern hemisphere. Redquark 06:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose It is a very interesing picture that shows a fascinating view of Jupiter but I don´t think ist up to FPs standards. The circular grey spot in the middle ruins it for me. And it doesn´t have that crisp FP feeling to me. It is an awesome picture that benefits wikipedia greatly but it just doesnt fit FP standards. --Tobyw87 13:38, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Someone might be a little confused; the Cassini flyby produced the most detailed views of jupiter, but this specific shot is not the most detailed. See this one for example, much more detailed --frothT C 00:41, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Map of Jupiter.jpg Raven4x4x 05:32, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hawker Hurricane

A fine picture I found on the French Wikipedia´s Featured Pictures. --Tobyw87 12:19, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 05:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Approach to Kata Tjuta, Northern Territory, Australia. 9/27/06 by Arlen Heginbotham
Edit 1 by jellocube27; fixed tilt, adjusted colours, cropped a little.

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arlen66 (talkcontribs) 00:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

This picture was nominated by Arlen66 (talk · contribs · count), who also appears to be the photographer. The account was created 00:53, 5 January 2007, precisely 4 minutes before nominating the picture. It has three edits: to the image page, to create this page, and to the main FPC page adding the nom.Vanderdeckenξφ 11:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

*Support edit 1. This is a great shot. But next time submit your FPC correctly.. --frothT C 03:06, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 05:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Example of a parade
Reason
I really like this image of some geese in a parade.
Articles this image appears in
Canada Goose
Creator
User:Wsiegmund
Nominator
Bewareofdog

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 12:16, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Meat Eater Ant Queen beginning a new colony
20 seconds later...
~1 min later...

Not only is this a good shot of a fertilized meat eater ant queen, it shows a hugely significant event - the beginning of a new colony. I was originally just shooting the ant colony that was swarming, but as I was walking back home I was luckily enough to see this young queen. I followed her around and eventually she selected this spot and started digging.

Sorry should have added that to the description page - it's about 20mm. Do you mean can I go back and confirm if she was successful? I know after standing around for about 10mins she was out of sight! --Fir0002 22:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I should have been clearer. It is established that the queen dug, but does digging automaticall imply colony foundation? It shoud just be cleared with certainty, that this was not, let's say, digging for food etc. --Dschwen 09:18, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Ok, I did some reading. Looks like the colony formation is more common than I thought, but the picture is still great, especially with the extra pics showing the progress. --Dschwen 08:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Top most (largest) image - the others I just added to show a bit more of the event. --Fir0002 22:08, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
(Edit conflict) Okay, still support. --Tewy 22:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, sorry about that --Fir0002 07:42, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Meat eater ant qeen excavating hole.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 12:24, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Valley of the Temples park in eastern Oahu, Hawaii.
Reason
Picture rivals commercial images for quiality and adds considerably to articles on which it is used.
Articles this image appears in
Valley of the Temples, Hawaii & Oahu
Creator
Brendel
Nominator
Signaturebrendel
  • Oppose Entire frame is out of focus and there is a fair bit of image grain. It's possible some image editing could fix the grain and downscaling could possibly improve focus enough to still meet resolution requirements. —Dgiest c 09:11, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
So, if I down-scale the image, would that solve the problem? Regards, Signaturebrendel 02:18, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Downscaling hides focus problems but you may need to downscale so far that you end up failing resolution guidelines. You'd still need to perform a very careful noise reduction. It may be fixable but I'm not sure. —Dgiest c 15:57, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the advise. I'm going to introduce a revised version later today. Regards, Signaturebrendel 16:06, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


September 13, 2001: A New York City firefighter looks up at what remains of the South Tower.
Reason
This is a very cool image
Articles this image appears in
Aftermath of the September 11, 2001 attacks September 11, 2001 attacks User:Acebrock/9/11
Creator
Work of the United States Government
Nominator
Bewareofdog

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The First Church of Christ, Scientist on Third Street in DeKalb, Illinois. It is one of the many churches in DeKalb.
Reason
Self-nom, I just really liked the photograph, its composition and contrast. The way the sunlight bathed the steeple, almost as if it were holy. Just a really good image, I thought, and I don't often think things I create are worth much. Take it as you will
Articles this image appears in
DeKalb, Illinois
Creator
Andy McMurray
Nominator
A mcmurray
  • SupportA mcmurray 21:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose well to me there is nothing particularly special about this image that makes you go wow. I dislike how the trees cover up pretty much the whole front of the church, also this might just be me but it looks like it is at a bit of a tilt. — Arjun 21:58, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - It's not a particularly attractive image. Basically, this looks like a photo anyone could take with their new digital camera, and it doesn't show any special composition skills. I'll leave technical comments to the regulars.--Iriseyes 22:05, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral I don't feel strongly enough either way about this picture. I would like to note, however, that sunsets of any sort are ususally struck down for FP status. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 22:53, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Not uber high res, technical problems, bad composition, boring shot, blown highlights, glare problems, grainy, unnatural photoshopping, better as SVG, blah blah blah the usual list :) There's nothing specific in my mind about this image, but sorry it's just not FP material. Don't let all of these opposes intimidate you, your shot is competing for the highest honor a wikipedia upload can achieve --frothT C 23:12, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not intimidated. It's good to get such feedback so if I nominate other images or take others that I nominate I will know what to look for/what to take. A mcmurray 17:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It's a pretty shot, but for featured pictures you need encyclopedic value. Since most of the church is in shadow, the left side is covered by a tree, and the right side is cut off, you can't really see what it looks like. And what little lighting there is (on the steeple) prevents one from seeing the actual color. So while it may look nice, it doesn't have the encyclopedic value that is required of featured pictures. --Tewy 23:39, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose on composition. Lower building in shadow, tree obscures nice columned front, parking lot and chain link fence visible. --Bridgecross 23:49, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Oppose The picture itself is not very good, and at a glance looks quite blurry. Plus there are street signs everywhere like the one way sign which are major eye sores. Another eye sore is the obstructing tree, its not taken at a nice angle for the tree to look nice. Another thing that i personally dislike is the shading, the main building is in slight shadows and the tower is quite illuminated. Mabye another picture of the same subject could become a featured picuture. Voshvoshka 01:50, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You should never judge a picture "at a glance". I don't know if you did on this one or not, but just saying... --Tewy 01:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I didn't judge it at a glance, but i think that a picture should look apealing to the eye when you first look at it. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Voshvoshka (talkcontribs).
  • Oppose The main thing that does it for me is the tree. A couple other things are the lighting and the angle. Why1991 03:37, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Poor encyclopedic value: is this really an iconic image of DeKalb? It looks like any old church. Also oppose on technical ground listed above. —Dgiest c 07:15, 7 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Reason
I really like this image and I hope you do to.
Articles this image appears in
Brolga
Creator
Paul Thomsen
Nominator
Bewareofdog

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Edison and his early phonograph. Cropped from Library of Congress copy. Probably taken April 18, 1878.
Edit 1, dust removal by Janke
Edit 3, Arad's edit with adjusted lightness
Reason
A high-resolution image of Thomas Edison with one of his most famous inventions. I think it is very encyclopedic and informative, as well as good photograph.
Articles this image appears in
Thomas Edison
Creator
Levin C. Handy
Nominator
Jellocube27

Promoted Image:Edison and phonograph edit1.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 20:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Pardalotus striatus ornatus with nesting material

A little break from the world of insects with this lovely image of a Pardalotus - although it's small size meant that I was still using a macro lens to shoot it! The bird was between 10 and 15cm. Taken in Swifts Creek, Victoria

Nah that's what they look like - very colorful little things --Fir0002 07:41, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Pardalotus with nesting material.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 11:20, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The Hemispheric in Valencia, Spain
Alternate 1 (Twilight)
Alternate 2 (NYE)
Reason
A previous image was nominated here recently but failed due to a lack of image quality and it was suggested that I attempt to take a better shot. As I was in Valencia for the New Year, the site was actually not as easy to photograph as it would normally be as there was fireworks scaffolding and decking on top of the water for ice skating on the other side (which is the view the previous nominee had) so I was not able to duplicate the shot. However, I think this view is still aesthetically pleasing and worth a nomination. I took two other images (here, taken the day after the New Year and here taken one hour before midnight on NYE) but I think the nominated image is the best of the set. It is a 2 x 6 segment panorama with very high resolution and sharpness.
Articles this image appears in
Ciutat de les Arts i les Ciències and Valencia, Spain
Creator
User:Diliff
Nominator
Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs)

Support Original only The others are clearly inferior (although that certainly is a relative concept when judging a high quality set such as this!) --Fir0002 02:56, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Hemispheric - Valencia, Spain - Jan 2007.jpg Raven4x4x 07:20, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Largest waterfall ever!!!!!

Salto Angel from Raton
Reason
The worlds tallest waterfall should at least be a featured picture.
Articles this image appears in
Angel Falls List of national parks of Venezuela
Creator
Yosemite
Nominator
Bewareofdog
Just for pointing out isn't it "Angel Falls" rather than Angle Falls. — Arjun
  • Weak Support agree with others, just crop some of the vegetation out. Leon math 00:46, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think that is an excellent picture and I would definetly read the accompanying article. Why1991 02:15, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:19, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Low temperature scanning electron microscope magnification a snow crystals
Reason
I ran across this picture while adding some content to the article on Snow. I was very impressed with the wuality and detail of this image.
Articles this image appears in
Snow
Creator
Nominator
-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider)
  • Support-- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 15:46, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose interesting but appears to be out of focus, and also has many JPEG artifacts throughout. — Arjun 15:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per Arjun. Perhaps there is an uncompressed version available somewhere? --KFP (talk | contribs) 15:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • opppose compression artifacts. Also, shouldn't the crystals be hexagonally symmetrical, rather than cubically? Debivort 17:52, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • comment why nominate this pic of all in snow. The artificially colored pics and are aesthetically much more pleasing. --Dschwen 20:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • You gotta forgive me. This is my first feature picture nomination. I thought it was interesting because of how different it was than traditional plate or dendrite formation. It also had fairly high resolution. Well, guess I was the only person that impressed with the strange structure of the snowflake! Thanks for the feedback I will heed before nominating another picture for featured picture. -- Chrislk02 (Chris Kreider) 22:03, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Oh no, please don't feel intimidated! I can understand your reason for nominating this picture, and for a first nomination it isn't so far out :-) --Dschwen 22:16, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Seriously don't freak :D. It happens too all of us, for future reference consider watching other nominations so that you get a clue of how certain things will be judged. — Arjun 22:20, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • (Edit conflict!) Arjun...you just said what I was going to say... :-) ("It really isn't so far out; this is featured pictures, representing the very best of Wikipedia—the standards are high. This image is impressive in the thumbnail, but it has technical problems that prevent it from gaining support. A good way to learn what the standards are here is to participate in the voting, and to take a look at some of the already featured pictures.") --Tewy 22:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Per above. --Tewy 21:37, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I don't think it is focus issue but rather the original resolution (useful resolution) is low and had been upsampled. Sidenote: How can SEM images have such a huge DOF compared to optical microscope or even macro images? --antilivedT | C | G 04:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • It is a scanning microscope. The resolution is determined by the beam size which scans the object, and the beam size is independent from the object distance. If you will, the SEM has a reversed lightpath compared to an optical microscope. While the object distance is extremely short in an optical microscope (you almost push the lens on the object) the beam collumn in an SEM is a few feet long. --Dschwen 07:57, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose per above. Joe 05:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support . For the encyclopedic value of the image. Some times the images have to be evaluated in the context of subject it belongs to. In other words all the images can’t be rated on the same scale of ‘beauty’ the way conventional photos are measured for its visual pleasure. For example a surgical image would be treated precocious for the info content and it’s rarity than say for its gleaming image quality or colorfulness. I’m no crystal physics expert to rate how great this shot is, but this appears to me us an image with high technical value than the sheer aesthetical quality. That despite, the ‘image aberrations’. Pratheepps 12:15, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Fair enough. But issues were raised on the technical quality too. I have created a fair number of (albeit not low temp) SEM images, and think I can judge the technical quality aspects. And while SEM images tend to have a certain novelty factor just being an SEM image doesn't guarantee enc. We can argue about the aesthetical quality, and I agree my comment sounded a bit superficial :-), but the question that should be asked is whether the depicted crystal lump is representative of snow. --Dschwen 12:45, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I must agree with Dschwen that those picture he had were much better of an angle. Why1991 02:13, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Support This image really catches my eye. Fascinating, thought-provoking. Not something you can see everyday. However, it should be explained why the crystal structure looks cubical: are you sure this is snow? --Coppertwig 13:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


This is an SVG version of Image:Ph map manila large.png. Updated for 2006.
Reason
an older rasterized version is FP, and now the creator have posted an updated vector version of the map, I propose that this version shall take the status from the raster version (Image:Ph map manila large.png)
Articles this image appears in
Manila etc...
Creator
commons:User:Seav
Nominator
AzaToth
  • For the "weird looking arrow", I'll quote Cuivienen's answer from farther up the page: That's a symbol used on maps to indicate exclaves. Presumably, Manila South Cemtery is a part of Manila despite being surrounded by Makati. GeeJo (t)(c) • 12:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Manila International Port Terminal and the Manila Harbour Center are cut off because I don't think I need to indicate how far they go out into the bay. The point of this map is to show where the places are. Is it really important that these two are not cut off? The weird arrow does indicate that the cemetery in an exclave. I'll probably add some coordinate references. Any other issues? --seav 11:03, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Ph_map_manila.svg to replace the old version. Raven4x4x 07:17, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Complex object created using Constructive solid geometry
Reason
An excellent demonstration of CSG
Articles this image appears in
Constructive solid geometry
Creator
commons:User:Zottie
Nominator
Richard W.M. Jones
  • SupportRichard W.M. Jones 07:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Fails resolution guidelines. Should probably be SVG. Needs explanation of the logical symbols for most viewers. Not too likely to draw people in. Otherwise quite a good example of CSG. —Dgiest c 07:58, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I disagree that it should be SVG. The conversion would be difficult and inaccurate: how could we draw accurate shadows in SVG for example? POV-ray traced images, if they come with source code, have almost all the advantages of SVG. The question is: how to make the source file available? For small source files (such as this one?), it is possible to include them in the image page. For larger source files it is more difficult. --Bernard 11:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support. Resolution is sufficient since the image is simple. I would prefer to have all three cylinders at the same level, being the children of the same node, unless there is a reason for the current choice. Otherwise it seems just a bit too simple. Make the source code available if you can. --Bernard 11:10, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The cylinders are primitives, and the operations are (arguably) binary, so I don't think the cylinders should all be at the same level. On the subject of source code, which other people have mentioned, I have tried to take this up with the original author of the image. I agree that it would be a much improved nomination if we had source code. Richard W.M. Jones 19:42, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well, the union operator in POV-ray can have an arbitrary number of children objects, that's why I made the remark.--Bernard 20:15, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose I think this needs much more explanation, at least on the image page if not in the image itself. I also think the various objects should all be the same size, to make it clearer what is happening, I imagine this change would make the picture reach the resolution requirements. Terri G 13:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Like stated above I really don't know what I'm looking at. It needs way better of an explanation in the caption. Also as stated previously it doesn't meet the resolution requirements. Why1991 13:07, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose very confusing, images should help readers know what the article is trying to explain. This in my mind doesn't also why is it in PNG format? — Arjun 19:54, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Doesn't meet size requirements (800x709px). --Tewy 21:45, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Besides size, there are other problems. The union/intersect/neutral (?) symbols aren't explained anywhere, the image isn't in SVG (and should be very large if in PNG), and the diagram is too simple for featured pictures. --Tewy 22:49, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - I have no clue what it is or what it's trying to teach. --Iriseyes 22:43, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I looked at it, went "Huh?", looked a bit closer and understood. That's enc in action. The only problem is with the circles in the back of the top object. They're a bit crummy due to low resolution. ~ trialsanderrors 08:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose Only because it doesn't meet the size requirements for a user made image that could easily be re-uploaded in a higher resolution. It would also be nice if it were SVG. It illustrates the article really well. I was able to get a good idea of what Constructive solid geometry is without even looking at the article. The symbols are good in keeping it language neutral. I've added a key in the caption for the article and the article has pictures explaining the operations. FYI, the symbols left to right are intersection, difference, and union. Will support if the size issue is resolved. --Aqua 09:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. Would support if the size issue is resolved (note that I would consider the POV-ray source being posted satisfactory on this count, regardless of the size of the PNG), and there are circles around the symbols as Trialsanderrors suggested. I don't think there is anything confusing about this image, and I am not sure how people are failing to see the sequence of construction being illustrated here. Even if one isn't familiar with the (widely used) symbols, the construction is clear to the point that it should be possible to deduce what they mean. Redquark 23:05, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - Could be a vector. Lack of general interest. Mazin07CT 00:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 07:15, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


On the Morteratsch glacier in the Bernina Range, Alps, Swizerland
Edit 1 by Fir0002
Articles this image appears in
Bernina Range
Self-Nominator
Dschwen

Ok, a little more unusual. I took this pic last year on the Morteratsch glacier in the Bernina Range (swiss alps). The ski run down the glacier was just opened (depends on the snow conditions), and the trip constituted the most scary 1.5 hours in my life. The picture is of high resolution and shows the glacier from a less common perspective with a wave-like crevasse structure. Some trails by animals and skiers hint the scale and provide a tiny foreground (intentional! in case someone wanted to crop or photoshop...). The exposure turned out quite well (with room for sparkling highlights in the snow, check full size). It's a >10 frame panoramic.

Weak Support Edit 1. Nice but would have preferred if the mountain tops weren't cut off (or is this not possible?) --Fir0002 23:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Morteratsch_glacier_1.jpg (8 original / 5 edit / 5 either / 2 unspecified). --KFP (talk | contribs) 23:18, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hoverfly resting on a grass stalk late in the day
Alternative

As mentioned in the nomination of this image, it wasn't perhaps the best image to lead the Hoverfly article, so accordingly I took this picture which I feel illustrates a Hoverfly better.

  • The spiky thing is the remnant of a flower, and makes it more encyclopedic as hoverflies are major pollinators. However ... blown highlights actualy eliminate detail in this version. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debivort (talkcontribs).

Support First The first image allows the viewer to distinguish between Hoverfly and its surronding more easily than the second image. I feel that the blown highlights on the second image reduce its quality. Krowe 08:44, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Hoverfly07.jpg Raven4x4x 04:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

n the present site of Meydan-e-Emam before Isfahan became the Safavid capital, there used to be another square called naqsh-e-Jahan (Design of the world), much smaller than the square today.

It was Shah Abbas the Great who made Isfahan his capital and then decreed that the square should be extended to its present size, and lovely buildings set around it. The length of this great square, which is actually rectangular, is 500 meters from north to south, and its width about 150 meters from east to west. It was laid out and beautified in the reign of Shah Abbas the Great, at the beginning of the seventeenth century. From that time until sixty years ago the square presented a very different aspect from the square to day. The whole area of the square within the limits of the water channels round it was quite level, while to the north and south stood two goal posts for the game of polo. Those two goals posts are still in position but replanning with large pool in the center, and lower beds round has transformed the square and given it a completely new look. Most of the buildings round are two-storied and the alcoves simply decorated.

To the south of Maidan can be seen the great pile of Abbasi Jami (Masjid-e-Shah) - the Royal Mosque a vista of blue, - to the east is Sheikh Lutf Allah Mosque quite unequaled - to the west the royal palace of Shah Abbas the Great, Ali Qapo and to the north the Qaysariyeh gateway leading to the Royal Bazaar. The most noteworthy feature of the square is the way in which in sunshine and shade and the varying lights of the day, the whole wonderful expanse takes on a hundred different aspects each more attractive and lovely. If, as some foreign travelers have said, (Isfahan is the heart of the Orient), then Meydan-e-Emam is certainly the heart of Isfahan.

We can still appreciate its wonder on viewing it today, but imagination is needed to recapture the glory of four centuries ago. Let us try to imagine Isfahan four centuries ago. First place a hundred and ten cannons a hundred and ten paces from each side of the entrance to Ali Qapo palace, for a hundred and ten computed in the ancient letters gives the name of the Prophet`s son-in-law, Ali, who was especially venerated by the Safavid King. The palace itself has all the dazzling beauty of the period, lovely doors and all kind of expensive objects and furnishings.

Shah Abbas, of the piercing glance, sits there, surrounded by all the important personalities and ambassadors of the day, Persians and foreigners, and from the lofty gallery views the polo and other maneuvers of his Qezelbash guards below. This will give you some idea of Isfahan`s former greatness. The Qaysariyeh and the entrance of the Royal Bazaar, built in 1619, stand at the north end of the Maidan. The frescoes and painted pendentives of this gateway are still worth note. The frescoes, which picture the war of Shah Abbas, the Great with the Uzbecks, have faded badly in the air and sunlight, but the roof pendentives are still in good condition. Above the gateway here is some lovely mosaic tiling: these show the play of the star Sagittarius, the Archer, for in the old day eastern writers considered that Isfahan was under the influence of this star. The symbol of the archer shows a creature, half-man, half-tiger, with a large snake for its tail and this is depicted in the tilework here. The doorway of the Qaysariyeh opens into the Royal Bazaar, where you can find all kinds of hand-woven, hand-printed cloth being sold and you can also go in and see how the patterns are made and applied. This Bazaar has a wonderful painted crossroads, dating from Safavid times, the most beautiful and most important arches crossroads in Isfahan. At that same period, the upper galleries of the gateway used to contain bands of musicians and at sunset each evening the bands would strikes up, with kettle-drums, trumpets, horns and all kinds of military music. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.172.220.54 (talk) 00:57, 25 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]



Naghshe Jahan Square, the biggest historic square in the world. Isfahan, Iran.
Here is Edit 2 for those who didn't like the black part. Thanks in advance for your votes.
Reason
It's one of the best images of this square with free licence. The composition is good and it has high resolution. It's not easy to get a shot from this position.
Articles this image appears in
Persian Empire, Safavid dynasty, Isfahan, Naghsh-i Jahan Square
Creator
Arad
Nominator
Arad
  • Oppose I don't mind the black arch, it gives a nice frame, nice composition to the photo. And it is a very attractive scene. For me it's the blown highlights/lack of detail, especially in the columns/wall to the left and the reflections on the dome. Still a very nice photo well done. --Bridgecross 15:52, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Possibly, but it's highly unusual for an image to get the vast majority of it's support from new users (to FPC) who read the articles it appears in. Also in future please make sure to sign in when posting comments (I assume those IP's are you Arad) --Fir0002 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I have this on my userpage, its a great pic! Support!Azerbaijani 01:33, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Mabye if you make an edit where you cut off the top so that the black is no longer there, it might look alot better. If it is I will support that version. Why1991 02:35, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Seems to be a pretty low quality scan of a not overly spectacular/rare/historic scene. With today's cheap but decent quality digicams (and DSLR's!) a high quality image should be possible. On a side note this nomination seems a bit reminiscent of Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Wikipe-tan --Fir0002 05:19, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose per all comments above. Quality and graininess leave a lot to be desired in this image Krowe 06:38, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support per norm. --Rayis 11:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Oppose I like to see a picture from Iran, Specialy Isfahan, on the main page but honestly the quality and resolution is very low. Next time try with a better camera. Good luck. Hessam 19:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose — My reasons:
    1. Is this a photograph or a scan? It looks more like the latter, so if it is a scan, then please post the source. Either way, it is of poor technical quality (though the actual composition is wonderful).
    2. There are the blown highlights on the building and various objects to the left.
    3. The dome on the left seems to be blurred or smudged.
    4. There are many artifacts, particularly visible around the domes and minarets. ♠ SG →Talk 21:50, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Answer to your questions I'm going to make this clear for everyone. As it's the case for my images, It's been a very long time since I last been to Iran. In fact, I've never returned since i left. These images are scanned and I hope one day, when i have the opportunity to pa ya visit, get better quality images. Probably this summer. --Arad 21:55, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Actually I think the arched version of the photo is better. The Square is surrounded by Arcades and vaults from all sides. And the square is studied in all classes of history of architecture in all universities because of its design (geometry, arcades, domes, historical context). So it is important to note that the photo is being taken from under the arch.--Zereshk 18:03, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose: Sorry, but I don't see anything special about it. Looks like any snap shot of a public square to me. --Mactographer 12:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. A rather bad scan of a rather normal shot. NauticaShades 14:02, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. If for no other reason than very noticeable JPEG artifacts. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 20:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • SupportI like this picture .Bewareofdog 00:37, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 01:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Winter Sea in a sunny day of January. West coast o Portugal, January 2007
Reason
Clearly depicts the spilling type of wave surf in a rocky coastline. Interesting contrast between a typical winter sea and a bright sun lighting.
Articles this image appears in
Sea, Ocean surface wave
Creator
Joaquim Alves Gaspar
Nominator
Alvesgaspar

Oppose - It is grainy and somewhat pixellated. Colour and image composition are good, however I don't think this picture deserves featured status. Krowe 06:32, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:51, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


A 3D projection of a rotating tesseract. (In response to Brian0918's suggestion: The tesseract is suspended and oriented so that all edges, faces, and cubes are either parallel or perpendicular to the direction the projecting light is pointing. The tesseract rotates about a 2D axis perpendicular to the direction of the projecting light.)
Reason
I nominated this animation because in really helped me visualize a tesseract. Compare with still tesseract image. The colors are clear and make it stand out nicely.
Articles this image appears in
Tesseract
Creator
Jason Hise
Nominator
Leon math
  • Support Oh boy that confuses me. That would definetly make a great screensaver. It tis be a winner. Why1991 02:40, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Support That's cool --Fir0002 02:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support I've been trying to picture this since I was a kid. Noraad 03:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Support It suddenly makes sense! --Iriseyes 03:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - a lovely illustration of a projected rotation - does anyone know a well-established mathematician who has claimed to be able to visualize 4 spatial dimensions without tricks such as projection or cross-sectioning? I seem to recall hearing that no mathematician has ever claimed that. Debivort 05:36, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • We have 2D computer displays. An animation can be seen as having 3 dimensions, the two of the screen, plus time. The domain of animations on computer screens could therefore be considered to be . Since an domain is not a subspace of , the only way it can be converted to is through a map, such as . Projections and cross-sections are just types of maps. You could come up with other maps but you still couldn't "see" the whole shape at once since your animation only has a domain of . For a static image, you have only an domain available. Therefore you would need a map, such as the projection you see in a single frame of this animation. What you're asking for is sort of like the vector space version of saying "Has any mathematician found a way to make 4=3?" Hope that helps. —Dgiest c 06:01, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • While a nice explanation and use of notation, it doesn't really help because I was just curious if anyone with mathematical clout had ever historically claimed to be able to visualize it. I've had some pothead buddies say they could visualize 4 spatial dimensions, that doesn't carry much weight. Debivort 07:16, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • This is nothing any mathmatician could do for us. To visualize four spatial dimensions you'd have to overcome the limitations of your own mind, which is from birth on conditioned to three spatial dimensions. Interesting question whether this limitation is intrinsic, or environmental. Fact is, we have two 2D organs, which deliver just enough information to generate a pseudo 3D image in your mind. Even if reality would have more than three spatial dimensions there is no way we could see 4D. --Dschwen 12:17, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • You guys are sure answering a historical question with a lot of certainty. One could imagine a flatlander claiming to be able to visualize something in 3D, and I could similarly imagine a person claiming to be able to see 4. I just wonder whether it has happeened or not. Debivort 13:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
            • Yeah yeah, and if a tree falls and nobody is around to hear it, does it make a sound?. I'm not answering the historical question with certainty. However I'm answering your question with the certainty that the math of sub-spaces and projections gives me. And furthermore it should be obvious that I'm in no way certain about the role the brain plays in the apparent (?) limitation to 3 dimensions. --Dschwen 15:47, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • OK, so perhaps there was a misunderstanding. I thought you were asking if there was a way of visualizing in terms of images and videos without using a projection or slicing technique, and showed why that's not possible. You were really asking if someone can see higher-dimensional objects in their mind's eye. I don't think it's a topic of serious mathematical discussion as it is not verifiable by anyone else. —Dgiest c 16:43, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes I could definately visualize 4 dimensions after first reading Flatland. I couldn't see anything in the fourth dimension of course since there's nothing to see but I could clearly visualize 4D "spheres" and "pyramids" moving through 3 dimensional space. --frothT 23:05, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support per all above. Krowe 06:27, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Tesseract.gif --KFP (talk | contribs) 00:06, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


USS Wisconsin
Reason
This is one of the more widely recongnized photographs of an Iowa class battleship, and one of the most popular images of the class with regards to use (as is evidenced by the number of pages on Wikipedia using this image in conjuction with Iowa class battleship and USS Wisconsin, both of which are featured articles). In light of this I decided to nominate the images for featured status.
Articles this image appears in
USS Wisconsin (BB-64), Iowa class battleship, Battleship battle group
Creator
USN
Nominator
TomStar81 (Talk)

Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Winter Sea at dusk, west coast of Portugal, 2006
Reason
I think this is a good illustration of a stormy sea in a rocky coast, with an extensive surf zone and the surface all covered with white foam. But more important than the encyclopaedic value is, for me, the beauty of these gorgeous colours. The photo was taken at dusk and the rosy grades in the water are caused by the bottom mud brought to surface by the surf and also, I presume, by the reflection of the sky. This picture was nominated at Commons:Featured picture candidates and failed… Maybe it will also fail here but I’m curious of knowing why. There are so few good pictures of the sea in Wikipedia!
Articles this image appears in
Storm, Sea
Creator
Joaquim Alves Gaspar
Nominator
Alvesgaspar
Yeah I agree, that is what makes the pic so good. Arjun 18:34, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:49, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


  • New version2 by SG. Mediawiki thumbnailing does notwork on this file!
Version 3 by SG, this time without quotes and back to JPEG (100%) because MediaWiki wasn't thumbnailing the PNG. -- AHH! Why are my thumbnails always broken?
Reason
Simple, encyclopedic, and interesting. I like how it's to scale.
Articles this image appears in
Planet, Definition of planet
Creator
NASA and edited by Poggymoose
Nominator
Pyro19


Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A margarita on the rocks
Reason
A beautifully framed and vivid image. The foreground is sharply in focus with the background obscured in a very professional fashion. Andman8 03:29, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
Margarita
Creator
Jon Sullivan
Nominator
Andman8

Weak Support Image certainly meets criteria, however the caption leaves a little to be desired. Krowe 06:06, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:48, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Milk Thistle Flowerhead

Very clear image with excellent sharpness and good subject isolation without serious DOF issues.

Support per above Krowe 06:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Milk thistle flowerhead.jpg Raven4x4x 06:47, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Crystal structure of parallel quadruplexes from human telomeric DNA. The DNA strand circles the bases that stack together in the center around a co-ordinated metal ion. Carbon is shown in white, oxygen in red, nitrogen in blue and phosphorous in yellow. Hydrogens are omitted for clarity. Produced from NDB ID: UD0017
Version 2
PNG Version 2
Reason
A particularly beautiful molecule in its own right, but also a form of DNA that is little-known.
Articles this image appears in
DNA and Telomere
Creator
User:TimVickers
Nominator
TimVickers
Oops, high-res version uploaded. TimVickers 02:37, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - I think that the key should be made as part of the image, rather than within the caption. If you are going to leave it in the caption however, the names of the elements should at least be capitalised. Additionally, can this be 'accurate' if Hydrogen atoms are omitted? Krowe 06:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

    • Agreed it should be included in the image. FWIW, not showing the hydrogens is a standard viewing format for these kinds of diagrams. Debivort 07:12, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Removing the hydrogens is standard, as they usually cannot be seen in X-ray crystallography anyway. I'm sorry, I don't understand why the types of atoms should be capitalised, these are just nouns. Could you explain this comment a bit more? I'm puzzled. TimVickers 16:22, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree that text should be on the image itself, as that makes it more difficult to use the image in new contexts or in other languages. On that note, since you've released it PD, maybe upload it to commons? Opabinia regalis 06:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Version 2 copy uploaded to commons. TimVickers 18:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Oppose Neutral Better with the fog. Looks over-exposed. I would prefer a less "plastic" material, lower contrast and maybe some softer shadow? (GI anyone?) Also in the centre it doesn't show the structure/layers of the elements clearly. --antilivedT | C | G 10:23, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I've tried generating the picture from several angles, but unfortunately from other viewpoints you cannot see the symmetry of the bases around the center. This makes for a much less striking image. TimVickers 16:30, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Great picture. Fascinating, educational, visually appealing. Topic of telomeres in interesting in itself. Of course it can be accurate if hydrogens are ommitted! It's a model. The novelty, visual appeal and educational value outweigh any technical problems. --Coppertwig 13:20, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (especially version 2) I really like this image; it's an eye-catching view of a beautiful molecule. To address the 'depth' issue - have you thought about rendering it with depth cuing fog? Opabinia regalis 03:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Is this version an improvement? I some added fog to help make it less "contrasty" and add depth. TimVickers 04:54, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
IMO this one's better; the base stacking in the center is much clearer. Opabinia regalis 06:31, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mahahahaneapneap 09:57, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You lose much of the shadowing and sense of depth in PNG, that is better for simple diagrams that don't try to be photo-realistic. TimVickers 19:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You don't lose things simply by saving it as png. PNG supports 24bit colour is well you know. --antilivedT | C | G 00:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I fiddled with PNG a bit, does this version look OK to you? TimVickers 01:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Well I still stand by my comment about a less plastic material, like maybe a lower hardness and less frontal illumination? Also visible aliasing, maybe more oversampling will help? Otherwise it's as good as it gets (NOT equivalent to Mr. Cat Poop in Chinese). --antilivedT | C | G 12:12, 15 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the comment, but could you be more specific? What features are missing to make this a "natural" image of a DNA molecule? TimVickers 16:23, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 06:46, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


A chaos of neon greets visitors to Hong Kong's Portland Street, the city's red-light district.
Edit 1. Image rotated 1 degree CW to correct for tilt, despeckled, dust removed.Fcb981 03:44, 16 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Reason
Photo showing an evening on Portland Street, Hong Kong's famed red-light district.
Articles this image appears in
Portland Street
Creator
UCLARodent
Nominator
UCLARodent

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Construction work in Shenzhen
Reason
Excellent resolution, and very pleasing to the eye. Quite representative of its main article, Shenzhen, too.
Articles this image appears in
Shenzhen and History of the People's Republic of China (1989-2002)
Creator
Rüdiger Meier
Nominator
WoodenTaco

Support Impressive picture. Nicely composed. The only negative point I found was slight graininess when viewing buildings on the left, but overall certainly makes me want to know more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krowe (talkcontribs) 02:51, 13 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 16:31, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The Washington Monument. The flags are at half-mast as a symbol of mourning over the recent death of President Gerald Ford.
So I suppose all you "duplicate people" people will support this digitally remastered Lucasfilm THX Surround Sound version...
Reason
While mediocre compared to Diliff's incredible FP of the subject, perhaps a higher-resolution daytime shot would also be an appropriate FP. The image is stitched together from 18 different photos, so if you see any stitching problems please point them out and give me a chance to fix them before opposing.
Articles this image appears in
Washington Monument
Creator
User:Noclip
Nominator
Noclip
  • SupportNoclip 21:42, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support very nice pic. The half mass flags make the pic very interesting and unique. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Arjun01 (talkcontribs).
  • Oppose - There is already a FP of the monument here, which I prefer. Alvesgaspar 23:27, 2 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - You have duplicate people. There are some minor focus problems. Existing FP is better and it is not especially different or rare to have flags at half staff. —Dgiest c 02:45, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Duplicate people everywhere --frothT C 03:53, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Sorry. Per all above. Sorry I should have said that I agree with Alvesgasper that there is already a featured picture of this monument that seems better than each picture edited and unedited on the side.--Why1991 03:57, 3 January 2007 (UTC)
  • Oppose Changed from support due to the above. — Arjun 04:05, 3 January 2007 (UTC)change to support e1[reply]
  • Weak oppose. I'm not going to completely degrade this picture; it's really not a bad shot. But, the duplicate people hurt it pretty bad for me. --Tewy 04:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Edit 1 As far as I can tell you only removed one double. There are certainly more remaining.. one glaring example is the guy walking in front of the monument with his hand on it --frothT C 06:14, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • How can you tell those are doubles?! They are only tiny black silouettes and look the same anyways. Certainly not apparent to the casual observer. FPC is really getting me confused nowadays...--Dschwen 09:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 1 It took me about a minute of careful scanning before I picked out the duplicate people (the couple) in the original. With that removed, I can't find any duplicates (even after a few minutes of scanning). There are obviously duplicates still remaining, but they're not identifiable. It's rare for flags to be lowered to flag staff and in this case, they were lowered for the death of a significant historical figure. The other featured pic of the Washington Monument is a night shot and the flags were not at half staff. Also, the fact that there are people in the pic makes it more interesting. I don't see many pics that were stitched together and contained people (undoubtedly due to the doubling issue). Jumping cheeseCont@ct 12:49, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I can guarantee that there are no duplicates within 25 feet of the Monument. If you're seeing them it's you, not the photo. All the people you see in that portion were taken from a single photo. Noclip 14:22, 3 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Can those who oppose please point out what the other problems are now that the duplicate people have been removed? Noclip 22:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think it is slightly tilted to the left. Hard to tell from the monument itself, and I'm not sure it the (grass) horizon can be trusted, but despite perspective distortion the flagpole directly in front of the monument should be vertical. It isn't, the one to the left of it is though. Might be just a degree. Sorry for coming up with that so late. Maybe this nom should be restated/suspended. It seems a bit unfair to me that almost everybody opposed due to doubles which do not exist anymore in the edit, but nobody bothers to check back on the nomination. --Dschwen 10:09, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Edit 1 - I'll kick it off. I like the flags at half-mast, which I think is enough to merit two FPs of the same subject. --Iriseyes 21:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support edit 1 I'll refrain from making penis jokes to prove my point. --293.xx.xxx.xx 10:14, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Edit 1. The edit fixes the duplicate problem, and although we already have an FP, this one is during the day and the flags are half mast. NauticaShades 17:55, 8 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support edit 1 per others above. --KFP (talk | contribs) 14:47, 10 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original You can't say whether these people are duplicates or not (maybe they have similar clothes?). And I think that this daytime shot is a good addition to the already featured picture of the Washington Monument. -Wutschwlllm 16:36, 11 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • There's actually a couple that is obviously duplicated. They appear beneath the in-shadow side of the Monument on the lawn, and again to the right, beneath the middle of the flags. Chances are, the same clothing and same walking direction indicate duplication. That was all the edit corrected. --Tewy 05:28, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • I know, I've seen them. However, until now I did not realize that the man really has the exact same clothing (blue shoulders). But still, even if they are duplicates, it's a very, very minor mistake. -Wutschwlllm 13:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Oppose Per above --Fir0002 02:54, 12 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted (no consensus) --KFP (talk | contribs) 00:50, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mute Swan
Reason
I like the swans position.
Articles this image appears in
Swan
Creator
Oliver Nimz
Nominator
Bewareofdog

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:02, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A yellow Lesueur's Frog of approx 30mm
Alternative

I'm nominating this image as it is taken from a good angle with nice lighting and decent DOF giving it a high enc value. The alternative IMO is probably more on the artistic side, with stark contrast between the yellow frog and the drab surroundings.

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:00, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Reason
This image is just incredible. Very Encyclopedic and eye-pleasing.
Articles this image appears in
http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Spectroscopy
Creator
National Optical Astronomy Observatory/Association of Universities for Research in Astronomy/National Science Foundation
Nominator
PYMontpetit

Promoted Image:High Resolution Solar Spectrum.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 00:20, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A Möbius strip made with a piece of paper and tape.
Reason
Crisp, clean picture. Simple, yet elegant. Depicts a Möibus strip in good fashion.
Articles this image appears in
Möbius strip
Creator
http://commons.wikimedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=User:Dbenbenn
Nominator
ScouterSig

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 00:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Green tent spider on a blade of grass
Alternative

Very clear image, especially considering the small size of the spider (15mm). Good angle and detail. Alternative hasn't got quite as good angle but it has a chamomile flower head which shows the scale and therefore helps composition.

Promoted Image:Green tent spider.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 01:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Jolo, Philippines - The U.S. Military Sealift Command (MSC) Hospital ship USNS Mercy (T-AH-19).

;Reason:Incredible image of a Hospital ship resting directly under a rainbow. Meets the criteria and just an excellent picture

Articles this image appears in
United States Navy USNS Mercy (T-AH-19) Portal:United States Navy/Selected Picture/6
Creator
Chief Photographer's Mate Edward G. Martens, USN
Nominator
WilsBadKarma (Talk/Contribs)

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 19:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


A multi-segment panoramic photo from the summit of St Jerome on Montserrat
Edit 3 by Diliff

Edit 1 by Fcb981

Edit 2 by Antilived

Reason
This is a interesting, high resolution panoramic image from the Summit of Saint Jerome (1236 metres / 4055 feet) on Montserrat, a mountain one hour north-west of Barcelona. It shows from left to right: the view to the valley floor below, the communications antennae, the topography of the mountain, and the steps on the approach to the summit.
Articles this image appears in
Montserrat (mountain)
Creator
Diliff
Nominator
Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs)
  • SupportDiliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:25, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support- Wow. JorcogaYell! 12:53, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support What else can I say but "another flawless panorama by Diliff"! --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 13:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Diliff, do you give any seminars near portland???? ;p -Fcb981 15:54, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support (edit 3), even though I think the deepest shadows are a bit too inky... Some curve and /or level adjustment could easily fix that. --Janke | Talk 16:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • I agree with you. It didn't look that bad on my home monitor but the shadows do look a bit too deep on my work screen (which I place less faith in, but its hard to know for certain how things are going to look on various displays).. The shadows have already been somewhat lifted but it is quite difficult to get the perfect balance with such a contrasty scene (the far right was starting to face into the sun on a hazy day and was difficult to control the blowout of highlights in the sky). Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 16:10, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Well, you could try using an "adjustment level", letting the adjustments affect only the lower part of the image. I did a (too) quick test, which I won't upload, but I used two layers of your image, one in which I drastically lifted the shadows, and then an adjustment layer to selectively affect the end result. In this way, I could get the shadow contrast lowered without affecting the sky or mid-tones at all. (You might try it - you can do a lot with layers, in fact, I've "saved" almost unsalvageable underexposed 35mm slides by making two scans with different settings (one scan for highlights, one for shadows), and combining them with layers...) --Janke | Talk 17:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Janke makes a good point. What I find works for preventing blown highlighs in the sky is to place a low power negative Omni off the image where you dont want to blow the highlights then adjust levels. I did that here: [8]. I didn't spend much time on it and it became a bit over exposed so if you want you can edit yours yourself and add as an alternate. If you like mine you can do that one too. -Fcb981 17:31, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Even with the shadows, this is a stunning image. Trebor 17:40, 17 January 2007 (UTC) Support edit 3 as better. Trebor 01:54, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support. The shadow issue. --Tewy 00:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Uploaded another edit, improving shadow detail without affecting highlights (much). --antilivedT | C | G 07:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original per above, however, the two edits look very hazy and lack contrast. While the shadows are a bit "inky", I think too much is lost in the edits. --Cody.Pope 08:06, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree with that statement... If the shadows are too dark (and everyone is probably right on that), I will re-process the RAW files and re-stitch it. Increasing shadow detail from the JPG is not quite as effective. I'll have a go tonight and see what I can come up with. Hold off on the edits guys (both of them look pretty similar to my eyes). Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 09:47, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original - the edits lose the impact of the original, which is quite a stunning photo -137.222.10.67 14:43, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original only cut it out with the edits. Noclip 15:07, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: these two edits went way too far - let's see what Diliff can do. Suggest we delete the other edits when his gets on-line... --Janke | Talk 17:41, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Well, I struggled to vastly improve the shadow detail over the original as even the original raw files contained very little additional information in the shadows. However, with a lot of tweaking, I was able to come up with something in between the previous edits and the original. Its still not perfect and some may prefer the original (the tones are a bit different between versions as it was a complete re-process and re-stitch from scratch and the settings were not identical). I found it hard to create an edit that improved shadow detail significantly over the original without overcooking it and losing pleasing tones in the image. Edit 3 is my best attempt at a compromise. If I had the chance to reshoot, I would have increased the exposure slightly (I was worried about blowing highlights but instead lost shadow detail at the other end). Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 23:18, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Support Original Only. Very good as usual! --Fir0002 23:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My vote is still for the original only --Fir0002 09:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Montserrat Mountains, Catalonia, Spain - Jan 2007.jpg --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Some seagulls at Ocean Beach in San Diego.
Reason
Very encyclopedic.
Articles this image appears in
Sea gulls
Creator
Jon Sullivan
Nominator
Bewareofdog
  • There's no rule that governs how many nominations can be made, as far as I know. If Bewareofdog could find this many photos that passed their nominations, wouldn't that be excellent? Debivort 15:28, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I mentioned the volume of his nominations this time because the primary complaint we have voiced so far (and that's not the royal we) has been quality of nominations. This time I was trying to express the volume of improper images. --Iriseyes 13:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • All you did was ask them to limit the number of their nominations. If the rate of nomination remained constant, but the quality improved, we would be very happy, no? So I think your complaint remains about the quality, even though that's not what you wrote. Debivort 10:12, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Okay, so you both agree that the user should cut back on the nominations. Bewareofdog, could you please only nominate an image if you feel it is clearly featured material? Because while an image may be exceptional, that still may not be enough. Featured pictures represent the very best of Wikipedia. Thanks. --Tewy 04:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 21:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The Arleigh Burke class destroyer Benfold (DDG 65) fires its five-inch 54-caliber MK45 gun during routine training operations off the coast of Southern California.
Edit 1, by Fir0002, noise reduction
Reason
At first I looked at it and thought "cool, a nice clean shot of the gun in action." Then I looked closer, and noticed that the shell the just left the barrel was caught in midflight in the image too. It's an awesome action shot and probably the best eye-catching illustration of this thing possible. It's also already featured on the German wikipedia, apparently. Night Gyr (talk/Oy) 04:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
5"/54 caliber Mark 45 gun, Cannon
Creator
United States Navy photo by Photographer’s Mate 2nd Class Felix Garza Jr
Nominator
Night Gyr (talk/Oy)

Support With preference for Edit 1. Excellent timing --Fir0002 23:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Promoted Image:5-54-Mark-45-firing edit.jpg Trebor 00:30, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nymphal grasshopper on a grass stalk
Alternative

High quality macro shot of a nymphal short horn grasshopper on a grass stalk. And no this isn't a studio shot, but down "in the field"; the excellent isolation was acheived since it is a very small insect (about 17mm) and so focus point drop off is very rapid.

Slightly different angle and hence slightly differnt background. Not sure entirely but the alternative I think is the grass closest to the blade I was shooting the grasshopper on (close to the river I was shooting near and hence green) and the other one is either the more distant (less green) grass or the grass tops --Fir0002 08:30, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative conditional, based on Debivort above. The original's background isn't as good, and the body seems a little too bright, when compared to the alternative (which is practically flawless). A little more information on the specific critter would be more encyclopedic (goes without saying, eh?) Great photography (as always).-Andrew c 23:33, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support alternative :-O | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 11:33, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The alternative is not used in any article. Why is a pic that is not used in any article even nominated here? This is like putting a fox in charge of the henhouse. FPC is not the place to select the pictures for articles. The pictures should have proven themselves in the articles and then be nominated. Anyway, not really much of a difference here, but this is all part of the FPC failed again thingie. --Dschwen 14:09, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
They are essentially identical. I see no harm in taking the original image from the article and putting in the alternative one if it happens to be promoted. mstroeck 21:29, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Young grasshopper on grass stalk02.jpg Trebor 00:37, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Peacock detail, Melbourne Zoo
Existing FP

A great image of an Indian Peacock taken at the Melbourne Zoo. I think it's a least as good as the existing FP, and probably a worthy replacement.

Not promoted Trebor 00:18, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the trenches: Infantry with gas masks, Ypres, 1917
File:Australian infantry small box respirators Ypres 1917 edit.jpg
Edit 1 by Fir0002, contrast, sharpening
File:Australian Infantry with Small Box Respirators Ypres 1917.jpg
Edit 2 by YFB: levels, sharpening, magically found some more pixels :-)
Reason
Personally I think this image absolutely exemplifies the tragedy that was WWI. I cannot imagine a more iconic representation of the Great War. Also, I think the fact that the soldiers are without faces, without their humanity per se contributes significantly to this picture. World War I was permeated by radical nationalism and rarely were individuals seen as something more than just pawns on a chessboard. Very historical and deserving of being a FP. --Tobyw87 23:16, 17 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Articles this image appears in
World War I, Poison gas in World War I
Creator
Captain Frank Hurley
Nominator
Tobyw87
  • weak support original, regular support YFB edit unfortunately, fir's edit has revealed that what I thought was noise in the trench foreground is actually jpeg compression artifacting. I think I must support the original where this is less obvious. Debivort 05:13, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • 1070x800 and 1400x1070 are pretty comparable resolutions, plus the one you link has significant moire. (I think I supported it though). Debivort 02:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The current WW1 pic has diagonal lines all the way through it and the proposed one does not, and also the proposed one has the soldiers wearing gas masks which adds to its encyclopedic value. As well as its very iconic in my opinion ----Tobyw87

Support With preference for Edit 1. Glad that isn't me! --Fir0002 23:09, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Australian Infantry with Small Box Respirators Ypres 1917.jpg Trebor 19:14, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The translational motion of fundamental particles of nature such as atoms and molecules gives a substance its temperature.  Here, the size of helium atoms relative to their spacing is shown to scale under 136 atmospheres of pressure. These room-temperature atoms have a certain, average speed (slowed down here two trillion fold). At any given instant however, a particular helium atom may be moving much faster than average while another may be nearly motionless. Five atoms are colored red to facilitate following their motions.

This animation is featured in Thermodynamic temperature.

-- The above is an alternative caption (added 18:33, 19 January 2007). Below is the original caption. --

The temperature of a gas is a measure of the average kinetic energy of its atoms or molecules as they move and collide. Here, the size of helium atoms relative to their spacing is shown to scale under 136 atmospheres of pressure. These room-temperature atoms have a certain, average speed (slowed down here two trillion fold).
Reason
First off, this animation really adds value to two articles, not just one. The image itself, along with the caption, helps the reader understand more about temperature. And come on, one can stare at it for hours, following each little dot, watching velocity changes... Anyway, the animation seems to meet all relevant criteria in WP:WIAFP, and since you already know them I don't have to repeat them here. (note: see Thermodynamic temperature for somewhat different caption)
Articles this image appears in
Temperature
Thermodynamic temperature
Creator
Greg L
Nominator
EdGl
  • Support EdGl 02:03, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Abstain Aliased edges, would prefer the atoms for tracking in 5 different colours instead of all red. Also is this the same thing as Brownian motion? --antilivedT | C | G 07:27, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment No, brownian motion is the movement of a macroscopic particles (such as dust) based on atoms or particles colliding with it. This shows the movement of just the atoms or molecules. Meniscus 22:00, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment If, by “aliased edges,” you mean the atoms don't have anti-aliased edges and this detracts from the quality, well, that's one of the trade-offs I had to make (and what actually took extra work to avoid). I purposely used only pure red, blue, black, and white in this animation so all the color content could be described using only two bits of data per pixel. Anti-aliasing the edges would have doubled or quadrupled the size of the file. This also explains why the five tracking balls are all red instead of a mix of colors: bigger file size. File size is especially important for the thermodynamic temperature article because it features three animations plus five other graphics. Greg L 20:40, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Comment Ok I get it now. But still, such an image would be tiny in vector format (if only there is more support to svg animation....) but I guess currently there's no good solution to it. But IMHO 1 extra bit to accommodate 4 more colours is a good tradeoff between clarity and size. --antilivedT | C | G 10:37, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note from Greg L: antilived: I agree, there ought to be more compact ways to do this. Wikipedia doesn’t allow them, but applets are a neat way to do this in Web browsers. Applets allow the animation to run not as a frame-based "video" of some sort, but algorithmically with faster (smooth) screen refresh rates. And continuously too, with no looping. The only disadvantage is everyone would see something different each time (no “cherry-picking” a segment where a red ball is at a dead stop). Greg L 23:30, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. The caption makes it very interesting- that's the actual proportional size and spacing of helium molecules at that pressure. Wow. By the way is it slowed down exactly 2-trillion-fold? I find that hard to believe. --frothT 23:10, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note from Greg L: Froth, not “exactly” two trillion fold (but close enough). At the scale of this animation (5.6 pm/pixel), the speed is slowed down between about 1.85 trillion times (for a fast computer displaying at 55 ms/frame) to 2.06 trillion times (for a slower computer displaying at 61 ms/frame). The atomic mean speed of helium at 23 °C is 1359 m/s; that's faster than the SR–71 (and is really fast for something as small as an atom). Another interesting tidbit is that if the helium atoms were at standard atmospheric pressure, there would be less than one atom visible in the frame (typically, only one atom would be scooting through the frame and even then, it would only be visible 26% of the time.)
  • Neutral. It is fascinating to watch, and pretty informative, but the 5 red atoms confused me greatly (perhaps a better caption could fix that). It seems fairly arbitrary to have 5 red dots and the rest blue. Also the aliasing could be improved. Not 100% FP quality IMO, but still pretty darn good. I wouldn't oppose it passing, hence the neutral.-Andrew c 23:40, 18 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Neutral. It would be more informational if there were several velocities (maybe signified by the spectrum with increasing intensities) and several different cells with different average temps.Buphoff 02:36, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I was going to nominate this the other day, but I'm not sure why I didn't. Excellant diagram, all the dots seem to behave as I'd expect. Chaos rules! I assume the red dots are just to allow you to trace the path of a single helium atom through the mixture? - Jack (talk) 08:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I agree that tracking in five different colors would be better. However, this really is a good image. I'm fine with it as it is. --Iriseyes 13:37, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Note from Greg L All: When I was making this animation, I noted that the jump from the end of the loop to the beginning was very abrupt and unsettling; the balls all simultaneously and instantaneously snapped to new positions, giving a feeling of a Matrix–style brain reset. So I tried adding a single, 55–ms white frame but found it did little good. The version I eventually posted — and which appears above — has two white frames totaling 110 ms. It’s probably not perfect, but I felt they gave just enough of a visual clue that a loop was repeating. If one didn't know there were two white frames purposely added, one might think that the jump back to the beginning of the loop is just an artifact of forcing the computer to jump to the start of the frame queue. It's not though; it's a purposeful effect and leaves no doubt in the viewer’s mind that there’s a loop going on. I had tried three and four white frames but found the pronounced “wink” of white to be annoying; maybe that’s just me though. I also tried black frames but found the high-contrast flashes to be most annoying. So I quickly settled on two white frames, feeling they gave a barely perceptible, almost subliminal clue. Fading in and out wasn't a practical option because it would necessarily require more than two bits of data per pixel to describe the additional colors. I'd have to go to at least four bits — the next step up — and this would have doubled the file size (which I can't do because the article I made it for already has two other animations plus five static pictures). Rigorous attention to making compact, efficient, animations allows the entire article to load reasonably quickly. I'm paying attention to the reactions from all of you though. If you have suggestions, leave me your thoughts on this article's discussion page. Greg L 19:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's no great reason to try to make the reset cue subliminal. You could put in 20 white frames or even 20 frames with the text "Resetting animation." This would get the point across clearly and satisfy many peoples' reservations about featuring the animation. Debivort 01:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Personally, I prefer the reset to be as inconspicuous as possible, and in my opinion "twenty frames with the text 'resetting animation'" would be unsightly. I believe Greg L has done a great job with it and what's not broken does not have to be fixed. Needless to say I totally disagree with User:Trialsanderrors, but at least s/he didn't give an oppose vote. EdGl 02:34, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Well the problem with an inconspicuous transition is that some people will see the particles as having discontinuous trajectories or moving in periodic patterns - both of which are flat out wrong. Without an obvious indication that the simulation is resetting, the encyclopedicity will be shot for some people. Debivort 03:47, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I still think transition to white could be done without adding more colors via pixel-wise screentoning. I might give it a shot tomorrow, although I'm not sure if my computer will be up for it. In any case, I changed my !vote after looking at the actual image sequence. ~ trialsanderrors 10:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, almost hypnotic. A shame about the slightly jarring reset, but it's an inevitable limitation. Maybe in the future a workaround'll be available - in which case replacement should be considered. But for the moment, I'm confident that this is one of the best animations that could be economically made. GeeJo (t)(c) • 10:37, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose - jerky movement, poor resolution. Why is it that animations get held to a much lower standard around here than regular photos?--DaveOinSF 05:40, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Resolution isn't a factor for animations. Since you can't scale animated gifs, a 1000px image would have to appear in the article at 1000px. Which isn't in any way desirable. And with regards to the jerky movement, are you sure you let the animation load up completely? Animated gifs do jerk heavily before they're fully downloaded. GeeJo (t)(c) • 10:24, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • The resolution of the animation is one pixel, the same as for pictures. It looks stair-stepped because the animation isn't anti-aliased (for reasons stated in the second “comment” from the top). This animation looks better on LCD monitors at 96 pixels per inch. It doesn't look as good on big CRT monitors if they are set to lower resolutions (<80 pixels per inch). As regards jerky motion, animations are constrained by file-size issues (as discussed in that same comment above as well as the expansive note above). This animation runs near the edge of what is considered to be fluid motion: between 16.4 to 18.2 frames per second. This is the frame rate of Super 8 movie film. The interframe delay is set at 50 ms. All computers wait the required 50 ms while displaying a frame. After that wait, most computers devote between about 5 and 11 ms to actually process the next frame. This totals between 55 to 61 ms per frame (18.2 to 16.4 frames/second). Some computers with older graphics chips require more than 11 ms to process a frame. When that happens, the frame rate drops to below 16 frames/second and the motion becomes noticeably jerky. A quick check for how fast your computer processes a frame is to simply time the total loop duration of this animation. It's 371 frames from "blink" to "blink." If it takes longer than 22.63 seconds to loop, you're frame rate is less than 16.4 frames/second and it will look more jerky. Other factors come into play too. CRT monitors (with their fast phosphor decay-time constants) can appear jerkier. Also some people simply have eyes and minds (sort of a "brain processor speed") that are more sensitive to slow frame-rates. I plan on replacing this with a different version one day. A friend is getting a $500 C++ programming package. We might make a new animation with a slightly different blend of compromises. Greg L 21:00, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
My computer is working fine, the image is loaded correctly. It just seems, in general, people here at WP let the aethetic limitations of animations slide just because it's an animation, and they rationalize it just as you do. I certainly appreciate the work that went into making it, but FP should be for a high quality finished product, not just for good effort. And if you're planning on replacing it later, isn't this, by your own admission, not as good as it could be?--DaveOinSF 00:06, 27 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Translational motion.gif Trebor 22:06, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Toledo, Spain at sunset - The Alcázar on the left and Cathedral on the right dominate the skyline
Edit 1, by Fir0002
Reason
This is a great view of the World Heritage Listed Toledo skyline at an atmospheric time of day. It is a four segment panoramic image so the resolution is pretty good (4748x2072). Hopefully you guys won't have a problem with the 'inkiness' of the photo. I could have lifted the brightness a bit but I think it spoils the balance of the scene so I left it as-is.
Articles this image appears in
Toledo, Spain
Creator
Diliff
Nominator
Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs)

Weak Oppose Decent quality image, but I disagree with the "atmospheric" time of day - personally I feel it has dulled the colors of the roof tops and hillside. It's a good enough image, but I can't help thinking how much better it'd have been at a better time of day. --Fir0002 01:41, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, but the dusky atmosphere is probably not quite as enc as it hides some of the details --Fir0002 09:47, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
But the details are not hidden.. They're still there and still visible - just dark. And anyway, artificially increasing the brightness to unrealistic levels is not enc either is it? I know perceived brightness is quite subjective but sometimes a bright scene is not appropriate. If you were trying to illustrate what a dark room looks like, you wouldn't normalise the exposure. You'd leave it dark because that was what it looked like. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 10:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Toledo Skyline Panorama, Spain - Dec 2006.jpg Trebor 22:57, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Shiva Statue in Bangalore, India
Reason
I Discovered this quite by accident on the meditation page, it caught my eye, so here it is.
Articles this image appears in
Meditation, Shiva, Yoga, List of mystics, Bhakti yoga
Creator
User:Deepak released it on 31st December 2005 under CC-BY-SA-2.0 amd GFDL
Nominator
TomStar81 (Talk)

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 18:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Zebra, Botswana
Edit 1 by Pharaoh Hound. Contrast and levels adjusted, somewhat sharpened.
Edit 2 by Fir0002, sharpened Pharoah Hound's edit even more
Reason
Great picture it is a good example of a zebra herd.
Articles this image appears in
Camouflage

Zebra User:Mr Vandal

Creator
User:Paulmaz
Nominator
Bewareofdog

Support Either Edit 1 or 2 with preference for Edit 2. Quite a nice scene really and good enc value --Fir0002 23:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but your edit of an edit introduced some severe quality problems. Please check the lower part of the image, especially the bodies of the zebras, and the out of focus grass in front of the left most zebra. --Dschwen 13:23, 19 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted (6.5 support / 4 oppose) --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:10, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The distribution and classification of the trans-Neptunian Objects.
Reason
Encyclopaedic; gives a lot of information in a way that could not be shown in text form; attractive; and I feel adds a sense of clarity and humanness to an enormously vast area what is of essentially nothing.
Articles this image appears in
Trans-Neptunian object / Resonant trans-Neptunian object / Eris (dwarf planet)
Creator
Eurocommuter
Nominator
- Jack (talk)

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:13, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Hamburg warehouse district at night
Reason
I'm nominating it mainly because I like the composition, the wild colors and the... well, the 'feel' of it. I don't know exactly why I like it that much. Maybe that's normal with pictures that are simply 'right'. It is featured in the article about the German City of Hamburg which I happen to compose a presentation about for school (my father was born and raised there) but maybe that's a little too much information. :-)
Articles this image appears in
Hamburg
Creator
Oliver Nimz
Nominator
T deece
oversharpend edges
  • Support Oversharpened? Well ... it's sharp alright. But OVERsharpened? I think its sharpness is appropriate. Well, it looks a litte like HDR. Put it in the HDR article and nominate it again! :-) No, I strongly support this pic. I've seen worse featured pictures on Wiki, this one I LIKE! TheVoiceOfTheLord 12:11, 23 January 2007
    • Check the detailed magnifications. The contrasty edges have artificial bright halos to increase the accutance and percieved sharpness. A perfect picture should be sharp without such prominent artifacts. --Dschwen(A) 14:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Sure those aren't halos produced by the HDR-processing? I'm no expert at that but I know HDR-processing often does this. --TheVoiceOfTheLord(User:TheVoiceOfTheLord) 18:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Nitpicking. I've seen other "experts" whine about "depth of field" and "noise" issues in pictures that had no such problems — at least in the sizes they're used in articles on Wikipedia. All the whining about trivial flaws (if that's an accurate term when the "flaw" doesn't really exist) misses the point: The test isn't whether a picture is flawless (some self-anointed experts can find flaws in Ansel Adams’ pictures), it's whether or not the picture is striking and engages the reader. Some critics on this page need to stop acting like "Charlie the Tuna" (oh so anxious to demonstrate how they have good taste and advanced knowledge of photography), and simply vote based on whether or not the picture is “eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article.” I'm not saying this picture IS eye-catching; I simply voted for it because my opinion is that it is. If one opposes the picture, they ought to do so based on criteria more important than "I enlarged the picture sixteen trillion percent and detected some noise". OK, my rant is over. I'm feeling much better now, thank you. I’m no longer a danger to myself or to others.*sigh…* Greg L 21:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Come on, people! If you have to artificially enlarge an image to see its "over sharpening" or "DOF problems" or "minor focus issues" then it doesn't have any as far as I'm concerned. An image like this would entice me to view the accompanying article just as much as one of Diliff's panoramas. FP isn't a photography contest. You can take your time examining every bit of an image under a magnifying glass looking for tiny flaws if you want, but what makes you think anyone else will? I'd be willing to wager that those who look at a POTD FP do so for maybe 2-3 seconds, then either enlarge it or visit its associated article. A small fraction of those will bother viewing the original full image. Flat nobody will download and open the image in Photoshop, zoom in and start looking for "minor focus problems." A lot of you seem to have forgotten that this is a discussion of featured image candidates, not perfect image candidates. This particular image may not be the best place to bring this up, but Greg L did so I figured I'd give my two cents. Bah! Support. Noclip
      • Wrong assertions and accusations. I enlarged to demonstrate, I noticed the oversharpening without zoom. If you disagree fine, but don't write such a load of BS, thanks. --Dschwen(A) 21:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • My only assertion is that the image is worthy of featured picture status. I can see that you disagree. Noclip 22:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • Yes, and I detailed my readons in my first comment all the way up. My main beef is the ridiculing of the vote, and the allegation that I zoom in to nitpick and had to artificially enlarge an image to see its "over sharpening" (note the quotes) and what not. Grrrr! As you can read above the oversharpening is not the only reason for my weak oppose. And yet you and Greg L just comment on those trivial flaws and sarcastically titulate people complaining about them experts-in-double-quotes. WTF?! I've been around FPC for quite a while and it frankly annoys me to read rants like that here and not in a more general form on the talk page. Why? Because an issue like oversharpening has been critically remareked every time it occured in a nomination for years. If you have a problem with the standards, just say it, but don't blame me for it. --Dschwen(A) 22:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Regretful Oppose This would be perfect for FP on Commons, but not here. Not much encyclopedic value. Although I must say, the buildings on both sides would be perfect for some parkour... S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 03:44, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:12, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roy Benson Bb school trumpet, gold colored. Picture created by PJ October 16 2006.
Reason
I think this picture should be a Featured one
Articles this image appears in
Trumpet
Creator
PJ
Nominator
Tomer T

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A glass sculpture “The Sun” at the “Gardens of Glass” exhibition in Kew Gardens, London, England.
Reason
A very beautiful picture of a very beautiful sculpture.

Description: A glass sculpture “The Sun” at the “Gardens of Glass” exhibition in Kew Gardens, London, England. The piece is 13 feet (4 metres) high and made from 1000 separate glass objects. The sculptor is Dale Chihuly Taken by Adrian Pingstone in June 2005 and released to the public domain.

Articles this image appears in
Dale Chihuly, Glass, Portal:Industrial Design
Creator
User:Arpingstone
Nominator
Tomer T

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:04, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


AA view of a mountain while driving above Telluride on one of its many trails. The Town of Telluride sits in the valley. Near the left of the picture is a waterfall with a house on the cliff above.
Reason
I took this picture on a visit to Telluride, Colorado. I like it because it shows the huge mountain in the middle which grabs your attention, but also other details. The waterfall is one the of the highest in Colorado and above it sits a large house. To the left of the waterfall and house is a criscrossing pattern which is a road that leads to the house and a trail. Zoom in on the high resolution and you can see all these things well and even follow the river running from the waterfall. I also like the snowcapped peaks in the backround. Overall the best part of the picture is how the sheer rock wall cascades into green broken up rock.
Articles this image appears in
http://en.wikipedia.orgview_html.php?sq=Qlik&lang=&q=Telluride%2C_Colorado
Creator
Jackbauerinvc (Robert)
Nominator
Jackbauerinvc

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:03, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Photograph of a Green planthopper, Siphanta acuta Flatid planthopper.
Green planthopper edit
Green planthopper, higher resolution.
Reason
This image is well composed, captures what a planthopper is, and is pleasing to the eye.
Articles this image appears in
Planthopper, Green planthopper
Creator
Althepal
Nominator
Althepal
—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.94.137.213 (talk)
Please log in, if you want your vote to mean anything. --Dschwen(A)
I see what you mean. But no, I took it from the higher quality original. Althepal 18:09, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
You could probably just replace the original image with the larger resolution version then. But it looks like it's got quality problems. ~ trialsanderrors 20:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
How's this? Althepal 00:31, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, still oppose, the main object in the image, especially in animal photography, should be pretty much flawless to be considered FP. This one here has artifacts that are visible at 100% and become very apparent at 200%. Also, the tree branch is "flat" and the background, while dramatic, lacks the detail of other featured pictures. It's a good picture but not among the best as the criteria require. ~ trialsanderrors 02:36, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Male Budgerigar of natural coloration
Reason
High quality profile of an English Budgie.
Articles this image appears in
Budgerigar
Creator
Althepal
Nominator
Althepal

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 13:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Closeup image of a cactus flower (Echinopsis spachiana)

Excellent detail in this close macro image of the flower of Echinopsis spachiana. Yes it is a focus bracket (8 images each at f/11), and yes it did take about 4 hrs to put together and yes I don't want to hear the term "focus bracket" again! ;-)

Promoted Image:Cactus flower closeup03.jpg Trebor 21:54, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

File:Man-speaks-with-woman.jpg
Man Speaks with Woman
Reason
The photo captures intense emotion and unconventional beauty.
Articles this image appears in
Creator
Graham Wellington
Nominator
Graham Wellington
I removed all mention of "pimp or prostitute" from this image, which should satisfy the moral police squad of wikipedia. The image is of a man and woman in a beautiful pose and suggests nothing else. Thank you for mentioning the image does not violate wikipedia policy. It indeed has every right to stay. Graham Wellington 00:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted This image is not used in any article and has also been nominated for deletion at Commons. (See also Commons:Featured picture candidates/Image:Prostitute-from-lviv-ukraine-speaks-with-her-pimp-highres.jpg) --KFP (talk | contribs) 01:31, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Female Satin Bowerbird - Ptilonorhynchus violaceus

Clear and informative, this is a close up of a female Satin Bowerbird, it's not often that you see a photo of a wild bird that shows it's face so well --Benjamint444 05:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 02:00, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Ulysses Butterfly in repose, Melbourne Zoo

Was in Melbourne again at the end of November for a presentation ceremony, and after the ceremony we had some time to kill so we headed to the Melbourne Zoo. We got there right on closing time, and after asking really nicely they let me in for nothing! This shot of a Ulysses Butterfly was taken in the 10 mins I had in the Butterfly Enclosure.

Promoted Image:Ulysses Butterfly - melbourne zoo.jpg Raven4x4x 01:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

College football game: Navy quarterback Kaipo-Noa Kaheaku-Enhada is tackled by Massachusettsdefensive back James Ihedigbo, #7, and linebacker Charles Walker, #11.
Reason
I think it is a supurb picture. Excellent in all details, and from an unusual vantage point.
Articles this image appears in
Tackle (football move)
Creator
Damon J. Moritz - U.S. Navyy
Nominator
Johntex\talk

Not promoted Raven4x4x 01:58, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Glacier Girl," a P-38 Lightning dug out from 268 feet of ice in eastern Greenland in 1992
Reason
Very menacing angle of an aircraft with an interesting personal history.
Articles this image appears in
P-38 Lightning
Creator
Tech. Sgt. Ben Bloker
Nominator
Trevor MacInnis (Contribs)

Promoted Image:P-38 Lightning head-on.jpg Raven4x4x 01:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Morning Fog at the Golden Gate Bridge
Reason
Uncommon and beautiful view of the GGB. Image is already a FP in Commons.
Articles this image appears in
fog, Golden Gate Bridge
Creator
Grombo
Nominator
Alvesgaspar

(A) 14:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Not promoted Raven4x4x 01:56, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The Golden Gate Bridge and historic Fort Point. Edit#1
Reason
I was really pleased with the colors as they turned out. The deep blue sky and orange bridge play nicely off each other. I especially like the bridge reflection in the luminous blues and teals in the foamy bay water. I tried to invoke something of a painterly quality to the water which, in my viewing, seems to affect something of the same quality throughout the rest of the image.
Articles this image appears in
49-Mile Scenic Drive
Golden Gate Bridge
Creator & Nominator
David Ball


  • You can see a before and after here. However, my particular brand of Photoshop alchemy in this case involved shooting in Camera RAW, then enhancing saturation, light and dark values, with a touch of vignetting and diffuse glow in the right places. --Mactographer 08:12, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks, the little animation is very instructive. Definitely makes the pic an eyecatcher. I have a couple of similar shots which could profit from a little upsexing like that. Although the vignetting is controversial in terms of enc. Pic have gotten shot down because of vignetting and here it is introduced on purpose. --Dschwen(A) 09:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment there are too many problems over the rock... grainy, etc. It's very pretty, though. It would be much better if that white car weren't there since it's a little distracting... but that's not a big deal. gren グレン 08:47, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Other than the grainy rocks, what would the etc regarding the rocks be? However, I never liked the grain either ... as well as the mentioned white car (and the unmentioned gull). So Edit 1 does some smoothing on the rocks and tones down the car and the gull. --Mactographer 09:15, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong oppose, I've decided to oppose based on the watermark. In reply to your comment, it has too much grain for how low resolution it is. Being that size it needs to have no graininess. If it were much larger it would be alright to be a little grainy... but, I don't think as it is it is high enough quality for an FP. It's a pretty picture, but that's not enough. gren グレン 10:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose The composition is nice, but the contrast is poor and the car in the far left detracts from the image. Althepal 18:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support The subject would be better illustrated by a panorama, but this is nevertheless a great image. The car only detracts from the image if you're looking for problems, and most people won't be. Noclip 21:53, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak oppose. I'm not convinced that the changes made to the image actually help it that much. The only thing I see that is improved is the shadow detail on the rocks in the foreground. The sky is a little flat in the original but how is extreme vignetting a good thing? I don't like the way the sky is virtually white in the centre of the frame and dark blue on the edges - looks like more than a touch of vignetting to me ;-). Also, compositionally the rocks on the foreground don't look particularly attractive to me as they unbalance the foreground. I would have shot this from on top of the rocks, leaving just the water underneath the bridge. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 21:32, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe he's trying for a "Holga look"... --antilivedT | C | G 21:40, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Thats fine if he's trying to create something artistic but it does detract from illustrating the subject. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 00:12, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree, Diliff. I don't see how more vivid colors or stronger contrast detracts from illustrating the subject. Or do you think Ansel Adams just printed his negatives straight out of the camera without any dodging or burning for contrast and effect? Yet I've never heard anyone complain that his photographs don't REALLY represent Half Dome or other locations in Yosemite. All photogs post process for better results. We just do it on computer now, rather than in the dark room. And by saturating the water and sky colors, I doubt anyone will look at it and exclaim, "What, is that a bridge? I can't tell, it's so darn color saturated!" However, if my colors aren’t to your aesthetic taste, then that’s a fair argument. To each his own.
As for the copyright, the way I look at it, it’s my work, I’m going to take credit for it thank you. If an almost imperceptible watermark giving the photographer his due credit is going to get so many knickers in a twist, then I guess this will just have to be my last FP nomination. --Mactographer 09:31, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see your point, but the thing is, Ansel Adams was creating art, not illustrating an encyclopaedia. I'm not an expert on his works and to be honest I don't see what makes his works stand out among landscape photographers but obviously his technique was excellent. I wasn't arguing that post-processing was wrong by any means. I agree we all do it, but I personally post-process my wikipedia works to be as natural looking as possible and I certainly wouldn't introduce vignetting for artistic effect. I'm not saying such a thing is "against the rules" but I do think depicting a scene as naturally and accurately as possible should be the goal for photos on wikipedia. I agree that you should retain credit for the photo, but that credit is given on the Wikipedia image page and under the terms of the licence, anyone that uses the image must attribute it to you so that is not an issue. Putting the copyright in the image itself is generally considered excessive on Wikipedia and that doesn't just apply to FP, it applies to any image. I have some issues with the licencing terms too, mainly with commercial use of photos (including the right of anyone to sell my photos without needing my permission - just as long as I am attributed, they can do whatever they want - not right in my opinion) but it seems Wiki is not going to budge on that. Diliff | (Talk) (Contribs) 11:02, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah that's an issue I struggle with too (commercial selling) - it just isn't right in my mind. And really, I can't see why wikipedia requires such licensing, as it is an encyclopedia not a stock photography site. I suppose commons borders on that, but I think the primary purpose of commons is so that other language wikis are able to use the photos. But oh well... --Fir0002 22:51, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you have the copyright and you have put it under a license. You can give yourself credit in EXIF or whatnot. It's not distracting from the start but once you hone your eye and scan the image thoroughly it is. You have already released it into CC-BY-SA so it's not difficult or illegal for one of us to chop off the watermark from the left. No one is saying you don't deserve credit and I hope no one would publicly redistribute this without giving you credit for its creation--but, I do think it is poor practice--despite it being your right--to add watermarks like that. gren グレン 11:46, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I see your points, Gren and Diliff. Maybe the vignette is a bit strong, but I still find it pleasing overall. At least better than the RAW camera image. I'm getting a monitor calibration system in a few weeks, we'll see if I change my mind then. As for the copyright issues, the same issues bother me that you've described. I guess keeping a small watermark is my way of saying, “The heck with it, it’s my photo, I’ll take credit.” BTW, I haven’t found a rule in print regarding watermarks. Is there a link to it? Or is it more of a "consensus" kind of thing that's so popular around here? --Mactographer 18:33, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
[10] --Dschwen(A) 22:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps more applicable is this section in our image use policy, specifically the fourth paragraph. Raven4x4x 22:59, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose grain, watermark... - mw 22:25, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 01:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Limburger cheese
Edit 1 by Pharaoh Hound. Lightened the shadows and midtones somewhat and upped the contrast a bit.
Edit 2 by Fir0002
Reason
I am pleased to nominate this beautiful public-domain still life as a featured picture. The arrangement is tasteful and appealing, and is expertly photographed. It adds value to its article by clearly depicting not only the food in question but also a typical serving. Practically the only featured picture criteria this image does not meet is neutrality, since the photograph is so flattering to its subject that my mouth waters just looking at it!
Articles this image appears in
Limburger cheese
Creator
Jon Sullivan
Nominator
Psychonaut

Promoted Image:Cheese limburger edit.jpg Raven4x4x 01:52, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Conceptual animation of dispersion of light in a prism.
Reason
Wow factor
Articles this image appears in
Optics
Creator
Commons User:Kieff/User:Kieff
Nominator
TomStar81 (Talk)
  • SupportTomStar81 (Talk) 07:45, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Booksworm Talk to me! 08:11, 22 January 2007 (UTC) Very Good Diagram[reply]
  • weak oppose support - beautifully implemented animation, and quite encyclopedic except for one aspect - there is no monochromatic magenta in the visible spectrum. Remove the last line of dots and it'll have my enthusiastic support. Debivort 08:30, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose This animation gives the false impression that light is made of "particles" - I'd prefer dashed lines instead of dots. This really doesn't explain dispersion very well. The explanation is: "At the boundary between the media, the wave's phase velocity is altered, it changes direction (not explained why), and its wavelength increases or decreases but its frequency remains constant." And, as Debivort says, scratch the magenta, substitute with indigo if you need 7 colors. --Janke | Talk 09:12, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak support I agree the explanation needs to be improved, by relating the concept of light dispersion with the one of light refraction. I'm not sure the dots should be replaced by segments but they should be smaller and more closely spaced. Alvesgaspar 10:57, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Nice idea, but I have problems with some details. First of all the wave and particle nature are mixed in the caption and the image. And the wavelength is used in the explanation, which is confusing, as the only length unit, the distance between dots, is the same for all colors. Then the number of incoming and outgoing particles is not equal. This is a serious flaw, as the number of light quanta should be conserved in a simple dispersion. In short, the picture is oversimplifying and not having much information content, and a good portion of it is wrong or confusing too.--Dschwen(A) 10:58, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. This makes it look like "one photon in, 7 photons out". It might be better to just use a line/beam going into the prism. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-01-22 18:18Z
    • That wouldn't quite work as an animated model, it'd be just as good as the several (static) dispersion diagrams we have out there. I wanted to show how different frequencies have different speeds in a medium, and this conceptual "light particle" model suits this purpose. Slightly different models would probably do better, and I'll get to that eventually. — Kieff 23:32, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Oh wait, now I get it. You think there shouldn't be "white" photons, but a continuous line. Hmmm... Good idea. Makes more sense that way. — Kieff 23:44, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Light as a particle/wave issue is potentially confusing. Agree with above. --Dante Alighieri | Talk 21:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. My point while making this image was to show how short wavelengths (represented by color alone in this model) slowdown in a medium, and how that's related to refraction and dispersion. I agree that dots can be misleading, but that's what I was able to do at the time (note: this is why I originally posted this at Talk:Dispersion (optics) before anywhere else, I wanted some opinions on how to improve it.) I could make little moving lines, or even little sine waves instead (this could work pretty well, I think), but I'll need to code a new thing, possibly from scratch. I can't do it right now, but I will do it once I have the time. Any suggestions are welcome. — Kieff 23:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • I don't have any problem with dots as the unit of light (wave/particle duality seems to imply you could pick either). White dots are deceptive though, as there is no such thing as a white photon. Maybe you could have 7 partially overlapping ROYGBIV colored dots going into the prism in each cycle of the animation, and where they overlapped, the combined color would obey additive light rules (i.e. red dot + blue dot = magenta dot). Where 3 dots containing R, G and B overlapped you would have white, and this would accurately show how the white light was composed. Then the mass of seven could enter the prism and the rest of the animation could stay the same. This would solve the "1 quantum in, 7 quanta out" and "no white quanta" problems. Then all that would remain is eliminating the magenta stream, and I would say it would be just about spot on at that point. Debivort 00:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think the animation is professionally done and certainly fulfills the criteria of “being eye-catching to the point where users will want to read its accompanying article.” I think criticizing it for not accurately keeping count of the dots going in and through the prism is off base. The dots going in are white and are therefore brighter because they contain all the colors. The prism properly shows the time-chopped white light (representing multitudes of photons of varying wavelengths) being split into colored dots that are darker (containing fewer photons per dot). All in all, for each dot of white light going in, there is one darker dot representing each binned value of color moving into the prism's queue (at varying speeds), and finally, one dot of each color leaving the prism. It accurately depicts the varying speed effect for each of the colors (it has to in order to keep the dots-in vs. dots-out in check). The entire animation is only eight frames and even its full-size version is only 121 kB. Accordingly, the smaller thumbnail in the optics article loads lightning quick. It captures all the important concepts of refraction and refractive index in one simple animation that no print version of an encyclopedia can match. Wikipedia needs more stuff like this. Greg L 04:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • One can certainly rationalize the image into accuracy, but it would be very easy for a person to look at it, and come away thinking that white photons exist, or that 7 photons exit a prism for each that goes in - the discrete nature of the dots begs for this interpretation. I agree that technically it is absolutely top of the line, and with some simple technical modifications, it could have encyclopedicity that is top of the line as well. Debivort 06:52, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Maybe it would be better if white dots are replaced by all color dots going along the same line with some delay. Another problem is that it is not clear from the picture why dots of different colors bend at different angles. Olegivvit 13:13, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - That is precisely the effect of having different refraction angles for differente colours, caused by the fact that different wavelengths propagate with different phase velocities. The only way to show the phenomenon in the animation is to have a "wavefront" approaching the prism instead of just a stream of light "points". But that would also complicate the animation inside the prism... Alvesgaspar 15:57, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment It looks like an animation of Newton's experiment to me: A time-chopped beam of white light goes in, and a spectrum comes out. The animation no more conveys the notion that white light is comprised of "white photons" than does simply watching a beam of light from a flashlight. Kieff, if some readers really might come away from the optics article (and this animation) with the notion that there are "white photons," perhaps a better caption could overcome some of these objections. I think your animation describes valuable concepts like how the higher refractive index of glass combined with an angle, allows the different colors to diverge. And by watching the different colors bars slew forward into an angle as they travel inside the prism, one can see how a tight pulse of light gets "chirped" across time. Now that's a neat concept I hadn't noticed before. A caption that says only “Conceptual animation of dispersion of light in a prism” doesn't help the animation as much as it could. Greg L 20:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Copied from the Wikimedia Commons FPC page
Alternate image
  • Comment Also, see the alternate image posted here. Nothing against it or anything, but I must admit, I think it conveys little information about dispersion except the fact that it happens! There are little clues in the angle of light while it is inside the prism (though it gets wrong on the exit), but you just can't expect someone to look at it and understand what's going on, especially if the person isn't already familiarized with refraction and dispersion. For all educational purposes, it's just as good as a static image. This is what I was trying to avoid. I wanted something to show, conceptually, what goes inside the prism, and for that I needed individual parts moving, so I picked dots (mainly because it was easier to understand and follow - as well as code! - but also because I thought it would work reasonably well.) It works, but it is not entirely accurate. But again, isn't that how it usually goes? We always use simplified and inaccurate scientific models in order to teach people new concepts (Newtonian physics and gravity instead of General Relativity, frictionless systems, point masses and charges, electrons as particles in orbit, etc.)... I believe that as long as we make the inaccuracy clear, we shouldn't have a problem with them. I think this applies to this image. We teach a concept, and we filter out the inaccuracies later on with a more in-depth explanation. Anyway, I'll try making a version with little waves, but I don't think complaining about inaccuracy is a valid point against the model. It's nothing a bit more of insight can't fix, and by then the model will have done its purpose, and it would have done it well enough. — Kieff | Talk 23:07, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Agree about the simplification for teaching purposes, but since you already post this image for comparison, how does your animation explian the fact the lightpath is bent? You show the fact that c in a medium is a function of wavelength, but by no means does it explain why the angles must be different. Alves is right when he says the wavefronts must be drawn for a propper explanation. --Dschwen(A) 23:16, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Agreed. But it doesn't explain why because it really can't. It wasn't even the original intention, which was really just showing the relations between phase velocity in a medium and vacuum, wavelength and index of refraction. The particle model works for this, but not for the rest. I'm gonna try making a wavefront one later on whenever I have the time. I have my doubts it'll be as visual appealing, though, since lines would probably become confusing and difficult to follow inside the prism. We'll see then. — Kieff | Talk 23:46, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Original. As Borat once said, "Very Nice! I like!". But really, either could do, but I think the original is better. Very good :-) Ilikefood 16:07, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Liable to mislead about the composition of light. Pstuart84 Talk 17:26, 24 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Caption Suggestion I think the animation might be better served with an expanded definition. How about this proposal:
Greg L 03:19, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Not promoted Raven4x4x 01:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


Indian peacock displaying
Reason
This is a much better depiction of a peacock displaying than the existing FP (sorry, Fir...)
Articles this image appears in
Sexual selection, Peafowl
Creator
User:BS Thurner Hof
Nominator
Alvesgaspar

Not promoted Raven4x4x 01:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


An Iraqi militiaman wearing a predominantly red keffiyeh in a Iraqi turban style.
  • Edit 1 by User:SG, just in case someone complains about "blown highlights".
Reason
A simply stunning portrait of an Iraqi man in Baghdad.
Articles this image appears in
Keffiyeh, Headgear, Man
Creator
Christiaan Briggs
Nominator
♠ SG →Talk
  • Actually this image has far more enc value than technical value. This is the best representation that you can get from a kurdish Iraqi man. It represents very well a Kurdish militiaman. --Arad 18:43, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This is not a Kurdish style Keffieh. The Kurdish style is different which if required can be shown with images. Second, the extreme red color is not used by Kurds. Kurds use Black and white (largely), and sometimes pink (or a light red) and white (like Barzanis). The cute old guy in the image who is a member of Sabaa Nisan is not a Kurd either. Sabaa Nisan is an Arabic word which means 'seventh of month of Nisan'. To sum up, this image has nothing to do with Kurds. Awat 15:26, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support original. You should find him and tell he is featured on WP. :) - Darwinek 14:53, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Perhaps this image could be used at ageing. --KFP (talk | contribs) 19:41, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • SupportI added it to the ageing article. Now it can officially represent that topic. And I support the picture --Tobyw87 23:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment So you think he is an elderly man and his picture has been put in the "senescence" section of the "ageing" article. And still he is barely 65 (or less), I imagine. What about the rest of us?.... Alvesgaspar 01:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Comment The picture is not in the senescence section per se.. but rather an example of ageing in the human body. The picture clearly shows signs of ageing... grey hair, worn skin, purple spots on the skin. Even the eyes look like they have seen more than a few days. Clearly it adequately is appropriate for the ageing article. And I think it is particularly appropriate considering the worldy tag on the top of the page. Why should we only have a narrowed "western" view of an elderly person? --Tobyw87 07:52, 21 January 2007
        • I dont really agree with your point. An article on Ageing should mainly have images of the process, not just an old person. If this image were to have a very detailed caption explaining what effects of ageing are illistrated then it would have sufficiant enc. Otherwise pictures of elderly people belong in an article about elderly people, not ageing. -Fcb981 19:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • Any extremely detailed picture of someone who is of a particular age is descriptive of the article on ageing, since ageing is a process and as described in the article there are many different stages. I agree that their could be a more descriptive caption to describe the process of ageing in this particular example... However, I think that having the picture in the Kurdish page/Iraq page/Militiaman page is more than sufficient to make this a FP. It is very good deserves that recognition. --Tobyw87 23:54, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • But we don't even know how old he is! I don't think it can be a very encyclopedic illustration of aging if we don't even know for sure what decade of life he's in. Mak (talk) 15:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
          • I decided to take a look at the ageing article and all of it's pictures are just of elderly people. Although I think a photo series over several decades would be more appropriate, as it is now, this shot is probably the best on the article. -Fcb981 00:04, 23 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support As I stated above, this is a very good picture with high enc value to be placed for any article related to Kurdish people in Iraq. --Arad 18:45, 21 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, although this is a very attractive picture, I do not think it is very encyclopedic. The only thing that differentiates this man from my uncle in Virginia is his turban, which is too cut off to be of encyclopedic use. Mak (talk) 06:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC) p.s. are we even sure this guy is really kurdish?[reply]
  • Weak Support I dislike the missing "pieces" of the turban Booksworm Talk to me! 08:15, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Despite the fact that, without the turban, he would look like "my uncle in Virginia". I like very much the expression of the face given by the mouth and watered eyes. Besides we really need more and better pics of people in the FP folio. - Alvesgaspar 12:21, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    • Post scriptum - This is a portrait of a person, not the illustration of a turban. And we shouldn't be ashamed of promoting people portraits to FP - Alvesgaspar 18:09, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
      • Hm. True. People portraits have a hard time here. But an FP must illustrate an article significantly above all. Maybe if we forget about the turban and think Kurdish People... oh ...its been tossed out of the article rv, unrelated img, neither the style is Kurdish, nor the kuffieh color is Kurdish, nor the guy is a Kurd. Sigh, here we go again: Significant contribution in the right article should lead to FPC nomination. Here we have an FPC nomination leading to contributions for the sake of appearing in articles, ultimately leading to reverts. --Dschwen(A) 21:43, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
        • P.S.: it has bee tossed out of Iraqi Kurdistan as well. So much for furthering its encyclopedic value. Sorry. It is a nice portrait, but without contributing to the right article I don't see it as FP. Well, if en.wp had Quality Images...--Dschwen(A) 21:46, 22 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. It doesn't really add significantly to any article. — BRIAN0918 • 2007-01-23 16:21Z
  • weak support original, oppose edit. The edit doesn't seem to be in any way an improvement. GeeJo (t)(c) • 10:27, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support Not bad, I'd like to see a bit more of the headgear though. | AndonicO Talk · Sign Here 19:08, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reluctant oppose. When I going through the Commons FPs trying to find ones to nominate here, this one always caught my eye, but it's never really been well-used in an article. Until that happens, I'll have to oppose. howcheng {chat} 23:29, 25 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Very nice! It is technically incredible but the man himself.... it's really touching. S h a r k f a c e 2 1 7 03:41, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong support Technically flawless, very encyclopedic. It may be better used in Iraq or related articles. Noclip 04:16, 28 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Promoted Image:Sabaa Nissan Militiaman.jpg Raven4x4x 01:47, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


The Ferrari P4/5 is a one-off custom car built on the chasis of the Enzo Ferrari, as a modern representation of Ferrari P prototype cars. The car is owned by James Glickenhaus and was modified by Pininfarina at a cost of US$4 million.
Reason
Very little FP's of cars. The image mainly focuses of the P4/5.
Articles this image appears in
Enzo Ferrari (car), Ferrari P, Pininfarina, Ferrari P4/5
Creator
Lennart
Nominator
293.xx.xxx.xx

Not promoted --KFP (talk | contribs) 14:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]