Comment - show me the original and I'll try to 'do it up' for you. As it is this is too small to be a feature, nice subject though. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ10:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support It's definetly high quality and displays several features of the peacock very well, but the crop job on it (whether in lens or in Photoshop) means it fails to display a whole lot of the Peacock. Staxringold19:35, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. It could be bigger, however if that's not possible than it doesn't really matter. I don't know why, but this image isn't very striking (something about the angle I think). --Pharaoh Hound21:51, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's a nice photo of a peacock head, and picture quality and size are fine. But ultimately I don't think it adds much to the article, which is already a bit of a gallery, including another close-up peacock head as mentioned by P199. Overall oppose on lack of encyclopaedic value. --jjron15:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - If you crop the road out, it should still just squeeze past the size limits (1000x1000). The sky is also very noisy, and I'm sure others will comment on the awkward distortion caused by perspective - the walls seem to push outwards and upwards. Maybe if all these things can be corrected? Stevage12:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - While I agree with Steavage, I think that this photo contains one subtle virtue...that the photographer was able to get such a clear photo of the Place de l'Etoile and the Arc itself. Traffic in that area can be nightmarishly thick, and with the exception of a few cars off the the left (which could be cropped out), the lead-in road and the circle are completely empty. Good job with the timing of the photo. Nilington 13:21, 23 May, 2006 (UTC)
Comment - T'was a bit of a chore stopping all the traffic : ) (jk - in fact it was 8am on a Sunday). In looking at the guidelines I tried 'correcting' the perspective; will give it a go again. Or perhaps I'll give it to you 'natural' first - 35mm lens. I do want to leave the street in though. Thanks for the comments; I'll correct and up it again. THEPROMENADER14:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What exactly is the history of this image? I see it was originally uploaded by someone else (at high res!) then replaced 6 times by very similar images. It's certainly easier to support high res photos than medium - they have more use to the project, and more scope for image manipulation. Anyway, what exactly did you correct in this version? It might be better to upload to a new file each time so we can see the differences. Also, why do you want to leave the street in? Stevage15:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The first line on my user page mentions that THEPROMENADER was formerly known as 'Josefu'. I did decide to 'go photoshop' a few times and remove those streetlamps and tweak the curves a bit, but I wasn't about to fill more HD space for such tiny changes. What do you mean by 'the project'? - this image is 1000px wide. The street denotes the space the arch appears in, which, if I can say, is rare to see in images of this subject. THEPROMENADER15:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support My slightly cropped version. I agree the street is important but I don't think you needed quite so much of it. Staxringold19:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I like both versions, and the angle and position of the Arc de Triomphe makes it stand out compared to the other pictures of the Arc de Triomphe. -- Je suis00:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Please correct - the left side notably leans to the right, and the right side slightly leans left. Where is the usual brigade of "Oh, it's leaning!" people? :) Stevage11:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There's more than perspective that has to be corrected here - the distortion of the 35mm must be straightened or it will never look straight. Personally I think the natural perspective makes it look 'monumental'-ly big, which it is - and does not bother the natural framing of the image - cropped, it leans, but uncropped, it looks correct. But FWIW I'll give it another ol' photoshoppy try. THEPROMENADER12:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Corrected. lens distortion removed, perspective corrected, slight reframing. Now you can crop it any way you want and it won't look odd. I still prefer the original though... THEPROMENADER18:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. For a monument, hard to get more 'wow' without going into special effects, super-long lenses or night shots - and it's rare to see this one as it is presented here. As far as I understood from the guidelines, the goal here was 'informative quality', not fireworks. Granted some subjects do have this naturally. THEPROMENADER22:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I don't quite get whats good about picturing a usually very busy place completely devoid of any life. Encyclopedic value would be higher if a more usual traffic situation were chosen. And a higher vantage point. --Dschwen17:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Abstain out of respect for the work that went into fixing it. I totally don't get a "wow" factor out of this, and I find ludicrous the suggestion that the Arc de Triomph, one of France's most photographed monuments, is boring and unphotogenic. It's a very adequate photo, in any case. Stevage22:10, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - never said the monument was boring, but it sure lacks the complimentary colours our l'il green and yellow snail picture has. I simply don't see the 'encyclopedic value' of traffic - this and photo angle are questions of taste, not quality. THEPROMENADER15:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment compared to the other two ET featured pics, this one is lacking a lot. The clouds are way overexposed (probably blown out?), leaving the tower itself lacking any kind of colour or detail. Much better to take this kind of photo with the light behind you, or preferably to one side. The sun behind the tower is a recipe for disaster. That said, there are good points - the grass looks good, the water and statues in the foreground are a nice touch, there aren't any tourists doing anything ugly, and the clouds are generally quite attractive (certainly compared to a plain white sky). If you'd taken two shots on different exposure settings, we could combine the two, to have a well exposed tower and city, and less exposed clouds. But as it stands, the glare totally kills what could be a very nice image. Stevage12:47, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose as per Stevage's comment. The sky kills it, it just dominates the picture too much and detracts too much from the tower. Besides, there's already an Eiffel Tower FP, so to get another one through would need something really special. I like the reflections in the pool in front though. --jjron13:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Personally I don't like to get too 'photoshoppy' on my images - I'll see what I can do for the 'cloud glare' but if that doesn't appeal, then let's drop it. BTW, 'already a FP pic like this' is not an argument - otherwise this place would never see anything new. THEPROMENADER14:11, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No, we'll never see anything new if we keep putting through different pics of the same thing ;). I'm all for better pics of the same thing, or alternates, e.g., a night shot. --jjron14:27, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the 'better' part. I hesitated to upload this 'version' until I saw how through how many pages the 'original' was used - consider this a 'morning variation' from the place in Paris to take the tower. Don't forget also that the entire esplanade was designed to this 'perspective' end... which is kind of obvious from the photo : ) THEPROMENADER19:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, you may have to start getting photoshoppy - it's fair to say that most FPC's go through a bit of photoshop before they get accepted. There's a bias against cloning out people or defects, but levels and sharpness amongst other setting should certainly be tweaked to improve the image. Fwiw, I wasn't arguing against the image on the basis that there are already other featured pics of the Eiffel Tower. I'm saying that the other ones are *better*, and that they're the standard this should reach before we accept it. WRT to your edit, I can't compare against the old one, but I gather you have darkened the clouds directly behind the tower. Better, but still very glarey in the left. But still, compared to this [1], it's just got nothing to recommend it - exactly the same angle, similar time of day (late morning rather than sunrise). Even this [2] tells us more about the tower. Stevage15:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I could understand why some people find this picture uninteresting, but I actually like it. First, the setting is almost geometrically perfect, everything seems so straight. Second, I actually find the picture striking, there's something about the sky and the lighting that I really like, it gives the tower a sense of greatness. And finally, OK, this might be stupid, but although the picture seems to be taken from some small level of altitude, it makes the background city look tiny and the tower huge at the same time.--Enano27501:39, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I've no problem with multiple FP's of the same subject but they have to be at least of similar quality. And IMO the exisiting one is far superior. --Fir0002www09:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I,User:Jidanni took this picture in 1989 from an airplane of this unbelieveable Kowloon_Walled_City slum. Won't be flying back in time soon, so only copy I got.
Oppose Very cool subject, but sorry image is too small and low quality. -Ravedave
Oppose Too low quality to become a FP. However, the picture illustrates very well the article in which it is included, but Jidanni just put a link to it at the bottom of the article. I took the liberty to enhance its visibility by displaying it at the top of Kowloon Walled City. -Glaurung06:01, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose however, as a HongKonger, i'm much drawn to this pic. The drab atmosphere kills me. It's amazing that you were able to capture that image on plane.--K.C. Tang06:14, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your edit is interesting, for it improved saturation, but it unfortunately gave an impressionist painting look to the picture when viewed at full size. The original picture is already blurry due to some movement, and your edit causes more details losses. The original picture has therefore more encyclopedic value and I restored it in the article. Glaurung05:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. I suggest someone just does some basic levels or something to improve the contrast, and possibly crop it a bit. Stevage07:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Being a Hongkonger, I say it's more like the 1970's. Because HK is too developed in the 80's to have barren land in the middle of Kowloon. The quality of the photo also speaks against the year being 1989.deadkid_dk01:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, are you serious? Honestly, images like this are an insult to some of the great pics that have to be rejected here because of minor issues. Phoenix223:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, he's right - the tecnical quality of the image is very low. However, the photo itself is great - it's a really good angle of a very interesting subject, with the added bonus that the thing has now been destroyed. Just a pity that with the aeroplane window and all getting in the way, and the low res scan it fails our other criteria. Stevage07:39, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Its perfectly fine to think a photo isn't good and state reason why, but there is no reason to put it like that. Please remember WP:BITE -Ravedave14:54, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry guys, I meant no harm by the comment, sorry if it appeared that way. I just think people should more closely adhere to the criteria for featured pictures. Phoenix203:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Guys, we're already all agreed that the quality isn't good enough, please be civil and don't bite the newbie (?). Stevage22:33, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree with Stevage, and i guess the norminator didn't mean the normination a joke, the pic is not qualified, but has its own charm.--K.C. Tang01:31, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have photo editing skills; if someone else could do something, it would be nice. —CuiviénenT|C, Tuesday, 23 May2006 @ 17:07 UTC
Oppose. I'm a bit torn on this. Yes, it's a great picture, but ultimately we could keep promoting satellite pics of storms endlessly just because they're so fascinating and we can't take them. There are already some as FPs. I think there will be better ones than this in future, and ultimately Hurricane Epsilon itself was not that significant. I'm also not particularly taken with the colours in either version, the original is drab and the edit to me looks unnatural. So sorry, overall I have to oppose. Note that edited version is three times the file size of original at same dimensions - unnecessary. --jjron11:09, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support brightened version. The colors are similar enough to Catarina's for it to be believable. I just wanted to add that I don't think it is a satellite image. I think I remember a caption that said it was from a regular camera aboard the space station. They weren't making a routine pass over the location. They were simply fortunate to have such a good view of the storm while it was still well-organized. Good kitty06:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't understand the distinction. By all definitions of the word a space station is a satellite just as much as an orbiting telescope is. Any way you look at it it's still a picture taken from space ... whether it was taken by a handheld camera or by a "satellite" seems irrelevant, the result is the same. --Cyde↔Weys06:11, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I was under the impression that the NASA images we're familiar with on Wikipedia were false color and composites of land features, clouds, etc taken from multiple angles. The land forms are always outlined. This is why they are very different from straight photographs. Good kitty14:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A "satellite photo" would generally be looking straight down, and as mentioned, is a composite. The term implies that it was taken automatically too. I don't think we would call an astronaut orbiting the earth taking a photo a "satellite" photo as it is taken by hand etc. Anyway thanks for pointing that out, I'd sort of overlooked this fact. Stevage14:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, according to the criteria: 1) For a NASA photo, it's not the best. 2) Easily high enough resolution. 3) Not Wikipedia's best work, and certainly doesn't make us unique - there are probably lots of galleries of better satellite images 4) Yep, free licence 5) The other photo at Hurricane Epsilon (2005) is more descriptive. Land features would help a lot with visualising scale - it's quite close cropped 6) I hope so 7) Yep. Summary: It's a nice photo, but it's not special. OpposeStevage07:47, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's not possible to include land features as the storm never came within 1000 miles of land. —CuiviénenT|C, Wednesday, 24 May2006 @ 21:22 UTC
I took this photo in September 2004 during a visit to the Cemetery. I had planned to send this series of photos back to a history teacher in the US so that he could use it in his class while teaching World War II. I was stunned at how well this photo turned out, and, in a subsequent return to the Cemetery in November, I attempted to recreate it under better light conditions without luck. Feel free to edit it if you think you can better affect the lighting (it was partly cloudy at the time).
Support with touchups? - Could the white be made a bit less blinding, and the image be sharpened, and possibly the contrast improved? It's a very nice angle. Stevage17:52, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - See the original at the Jimmie W. Monteith page. I attempted to brighten it a bit for the Cemetery article to give the trees in the background more life...maybe too much?
Support my edit I made the white a little less blinding while brightening up the trees in the background a bit - using the original picture mentioned above. This is an important picture for an encyclopedia. Mikeo08:30, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support any edit I support any of the edits. I also went ahead and edited the picture a little as well. The grass is slightly greener to give the picture more life, the white isn't as blinding, trees in the background are a little lighter than the original image. Overall the image has a little more contrast. -Every1blowz14:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Supportfor edit 3, by Every1blowz. Love it, as original. In the edit, I think the richer grass, the slightly bluer white on the gravestone and the better perspective improve it for me. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ18:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original Great way to show support for those who have fought in WWII. This picture shold have been nominated before so we could have had it featured on memorial day. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BWF89 (talk • contribs)
This image shows a spider of the species Ozyptila praticola. It's only 0.15 inch (3,9 mm) long. These crab spiders are quite hard to catch, because they hide themself quickly and I had to wait very patiently to be able to take a reasonable image of this animal.
Support In focus (execpt the front leg), Subject is centered, clean background. Can you upload an even higher resolution? -Ravedave20:13, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry that this is not possible for me, because the spider is really small (please imagine 0.15 inch), this image is already a 100% crop and has been made using a decent macro lens. -- Aka20:24, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. A fascinating and lovely photo, even if a tad on the small size. Do you Aka know anything more that you could use to improve the Crab Spider page the photo is on, as it's pretty light on for information? --jjron11:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I love crab spiders and this is a great shot but I don't think it's the best way to illustrate a crab spider. An ideal crab spider picture for me would show one camoflaged against a flower, striking the classic pose like or or . Those photos are nowhere near as good as yours but they do tell the viewer about the crab spiders' best known feature, its webless ambush hunting method ~ Veledan • Talk17:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutering my vote, fair enough. I'd still love to see one posed like one of the first two examples above, though, but with your picture's quality. Could you possibly try to take one this summer please? ;) ~ Veledan • Talk20:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You can use rubbing alcohol vapors to put insects to sleep. So capture one of these guys, gas him, put him where you want him and wait for it to wake up :) -Ravedave21:40, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - it's more encyclopaedic than the examples given by Veledan, as for once it *isn't* camouflaged, so we can actually see it. :) Stevage07:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's a nice composition, if not the sharpest image. However, I don't get how it shows there's a flood. Is that a tideline around the side of the barn? If not, I, too, am just seeing a barn by a river. Stevage18:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I came across the Great flood of 1993 article which included only a number of small, lower resolution pictures (except for the satellite image). This photograph is from FEMA's photo library (photographer: Andrea Booher). In ordinary circumstances, this is a scene that would be familiar to most Americans (and beyond the United States); This context helps one relate to what the flooding was like there. The photograph is also well-composed, in my opinion and suitable as a featured picture. --Aude (talk | contribs) 15:28, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The too-tight crop, and poor sharpness just kills it for me. I do like the "waterfront dining" sign, though. ;-) --Janke | Talk16:15, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I really like this image, so much that I took the effort to do color-correction and cleaned up some of the scanning artifacts. However, the highlights are blown out and the loss of sharpness caused by scanning can't be overcome. howcheng {chat}16:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Just not attractive. The colours are unappealing, you can see the elemnts that make up the McDs sign, and the focus of the image isn't clear - is it the sign, the restaurant, or the water? The "open waterfront dining" sign is cute, but not sharp enough to draw the eye. Basically, not a good composition. Stevage18:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. If some of the problems listed above were fixed or not there, then I think this picture would be excellent! Swollib08:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm sympathetic, though, because Flinders Street Station is notoriously difficult to photograph due to the tram stop, power poles and tram power cables, but this one is just too messy/unfocused, and, as mentioned, isn't helped by the framing. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - very sharp picture, which I like, but very crowded and busy. However, Diliff's comments make it seem like it's a very difficult thing to shoot. So it's a good picture of a good subject, but with unavoidable clutter in between. I'm split. --Golbez15:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I was going to say the same thing as Diliff. Taking a night shot is a great way of dealing with the overhead cables - they're almost invisible. This image could be touched up, and would IMHO be better off without the headlights on the left, and a tighter crop on the left to remove the Quay West building. For all that, it's a nice photo and it makes me miss home :) Stevage18:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well that's not particularly fair as I can't access the high area which the historic image was taken to, given half a chance (or even a quarter) I would have loved to have taken this pic from the same position as the historic one. --Fir0002www22:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I also see that as enormously unfair, considering you couldn't even be bothered to log in (if you even have an account). Added to the fact that Fir0002 is most definitely not an amateur. He is one of the best photographers on Wikipedia, with almost 50 featured pictures. If you have something constructive to offer, then fine, but insults like that to one of FPCs most respected contributors are not on. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ10:43, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The illumination of the subject is making it difficult to see some important parts of the building. A viewpoint in the middle of the intersection would have been desirable (yet unfeasible). HDR imaging might have helped as well. Mikeo06:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'm not quite sure I like the car headlights - the streaks on the bottom left, and the bright circles on the right. enochlau (talk) 05:17, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, this or a similar shot was up on commons some time ago as well. The night shot would need more dynamic range than your digital camera can handle. I'd suggest reshooting at dusk. Also a little higher vantage point would make the picture more interesting indeed (ladder?, any stores on the opposing side of the street?). --Dschwen17:26, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
File:Light-bulb-and-filament.jpg Cool and warm at the same time, showing the form of a light bulb that cannot normally be appreciated while in use...
It's eye grabbing and unique, and shows beauty and complexity to something people take for mundane;
Features in Incandescent light bulb, orignally uploaded by Iantresman.
Support Despite the fact that it isn't a huge image (348x599) it is very informative to how a lightbulb works and what it looks like and it is a good quality image. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 23:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Too low resolution. And as far as I can tell, it's not free content (royalty free != free content). I'll replace this with a clearly free and more encyclopedic alternative, if someone doesn't beat me to it... Anyone care to make some 'feature requests' for the replacement image? --Gmaxwell00:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Too low resolution. You can't really see what's going on in there, a clear-colored bulb would probably be more informative. --Enano27501:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It is a good photo, however the resolution is too low. If a higher resolution version becomes available I would change my vote to support.--Tnarg 1234506:18, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Too small, cookie-cutter effect at edge, base tilted & ugly. It also looks like the colors are edited, not real. Let Gmaxwell shoot or find a better one!--Janke | Talk08:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for all above reasons, in particular, a much larger shot of this could be taken, and the copyright issue. --Golbez15:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A while back I uploaded this photo of the ballistic missile submarine USS Michigan and placed it into its namesakes article. Since then this picture has found its way on to several other pages on or relating to submarines; however, I feel that the photos placement in the article drydock significantly adds to the article by providing an example of a naval vessel inside a flooded dry dock, and for this reason I am nominating it for Featured Picture status.
Errm... isn't that the point of a Naval submarine? Do you want the US Navy to paint all their covert infiltration submarines yellow so that we can see them clearly in encyclopaedia photos? At full res it's perfectly distinguishable anyway. Having said that, the tilt of the photo makes me feel a bit woozy, and the JPG compression artifacts (look at the feet of the men standing on the sub) are a bit undesirable. Edit supplied, but in order to leave no blank space in the top left corner after rotating, I've had to crop out what appears to be a metal tube coming from the top of the conning tower. Support. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ17:57, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I am not 100% sure about this, but that "tube" may be the periscope. Its in the right place, and would likely look like a tube or pipe of some sort. TomStar8120:15, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Precisely. I wasn't sure if that was an essential part of the sub. Considering that most of my knowledge of submarines extends from Up, Periscope and Das Boot, it looked a little bit like a chimney from a commercial gas boiler. If it is, as you say, a periscope, then consensus will decide whether they'd prefer to have the top quarter of it or a straightened image. I straightened it by aligning the coast in the background, the concrete arch behind the supposed periscope, and the sides of the buildings on the left. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ10:25, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Very encyclopedic look at a typical drydock. The sub is clearly distinguishable from the water at full resolution. Redquark16:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support edit, good subject, but the photo isn't totally "wowing" me. Support proposal to repaint US Navy submarines pink to improve their pituresqueness. Stevage07:10, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit. I like the angle of the submarine. Definately a very informative and eye-catching picture. --Hetar06:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. Definitely informative and interesting. Unfortunately I don't find it at all attractive which to me means it doesn't satisfy criteria 7 for a FP. I also don't think it's the most informative picture in the drydock article. Additionally I can't quite reconcile the the overall images. The original has that badly sloping horizon, but to me is far superior to Edit 01 with the cut-off bit (whatever it is) of the sub and the background, especially that boat, all sliced off. Sorry, on the balance cannot support this one. --jjron14:45, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose either, especially the edit. It crops the subject too close and cuts off the top.
Weak oppose - not worried about the cropping (see today's FP, the cuttlefish), but the blobs in the water and the light reflections are garish enough to significantly get in the way. The jellyfish itself could be a bit sharper too. Still, it's a nice pic. Stevage11:51, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. Dramatic colors, though. If the frame had been moved downward somewhat, catching the whole jellyfish and avoiding the light, I would support. -- bcasterline • talk12:34, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I wan't to see the tentacles! Also a little smaller than I would like, however I will consent that it is technically big enough. --Pharaoh Hound22:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Valid points mostly. Just a few things to clarify. There's no glass. This is a underwater shot, not taken behind a tank. Picture is not cropped. The frame is as it was taken. Regarding comments that the whole tentacles should be shown, I actually do agree. It would be great if I could capture the long tentacles, but underwater shots have quite a bit of limitations. In this case, it would be visibility and lighting. The tentacles was a good 1-2m long, and I would have to get further away to take the shot, and that would mean reduced visibility and a lack of lighting which would make the photo greenish. Good points nonetheless. Probably not suitable for identification purposes such as this. Thanks!! --Sprain01:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I bet it takes very expensive equipment to get good underwater photographs, and even then you would have to go somewhere with very clear water like the bahamas. Very commendable effort though, far better than any underwater shot I have taken. -Ravedave03:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Ravedave. I would say trying to take good a underwater shot is a little different from trying to take good shots for the purpose of identification. -- Sprain03:37, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I agree with some of the comments above, but think that this is still Featured Picture worthy. Looks awesome! --Quadraxis02:20, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I've had this on my desktop for a few days and the color is just great, the missing tentacles bother me less and less. -Ravedave18:19, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest replacing the feature picture in the Clownfish article with this. I have several different clownfish shots, some showing in much greater detail the clownfish but I thought this picture is much more interesting.
Support Every1blowz edit No vote. I can't decide right now. There are some really nice things about this picture: I think the angle is great, and it illustrates clownfish in their environment very well. Better, in my opinion, than the current featured picture. At the same time, though, the lighting (especially the clownfish's semi-illumination) is not attractive, and the clownfish is fuzzy around the edges. -- bcasterline • talk13:58, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sorry, but I think that the overall lighting and visual appeal of the original was far superior. It merely required a slight brightness increase, not a total lighting modification. mcshadypl22:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean "original"? Are you opposing User:Anonymous_Anonymous's edit (this), or Sprain's original nominee (this)? Or both, in which case by original you mean this? -- bcasterline • talk00:47, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From what I understood, the second posted picture is simply the edited version of the current photo, which is represented by the first image. The person who nominated the photo did not include a link to the original that he claimed was being replaced, apparently. That is what led me to believe that the second photo is the proposed replacement of the first. Sorry about the confusion. I have retracted my vote. mcshadypl05:41, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak opposeSupport For a long time I didn't want to vote. Although I liked the image something about the original just didn't rub me the right way so I wasn't going to support it. I finally put some time aside and loaded the image into photoshop to see what I can do with it. There's too many edits to name but, looking back at the original, maybe I got a little too carried away? --Every1blowz11:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about it and I have to agree with Stevage on this one. Also, the current clownfish FP needs to be delisted. --Every1blowz12:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose but strong preference for Every1blowz's edit. The image just isn't that sharp, and looks like it was shot in a fishtank. I mean, it's an ok image, maybe even "good"...but not "striking" or "Wikipedia's best work". Stevage12:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Compare this with the clownfish that's up for delisting below, and it starts to look very good... --Janke | Talk05:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose — The subject of the photo (the fish) doesn't occupy significant area in the photo. Nice photo, but not very informative about the fish. As far as encyclopedicness is concerned, I find this one better. deeptrivia (talk) 04:17, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'Oppose all edits, Weak oppose original. The edits look overly processed. The original's a bit blurry. k.lee22:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. While I love to see a clownfish image featured, this ones colors are way too much saturated and hardly representative. Clowfish are not that red and the surface has too much blue. Plus the main subject should be larger. Janderk 09:52, 4 June 2006 *(UTC)
Weak oppose. Its a nice pic, but the colors are a bit off and it's lacking encyclopedic value.
This image appears in the A.C. Milan article. The image is a creative commons image from flickr taken by Lordcolus. I think the image shows sportmanship in it's best form. It would be a great picture to feature on the main page during the world cup.
Oppose I am not getting any "Wow" feelings from this photo, and niether of the two men in it are facing the camera. Furthermore, the fireworks in the distance are out of focus. TomStar8102:40, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it's a pity I don't know either of the two players. They may be well known, but if it was like Ronaldo and Thierry Henry or something, it would be much more interesting. Stevage06:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Materazzi and Rui Costa are two very respected footballers in Italy, perhaps you are not that familiar with international football. The importance of the image might be in doubt, not that of the players. I think its a quality picture that shows sportmanship between two really rival teams, though perhaps is not Encyclopedic enough for a featured picture. Mariano(t/c) 07:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This is an antique lithograph from Ernst Haeckel's Kunstformen der Natur, illustrating sea squirts (Ascidiacea or ascidians). I scanned it, touched it up, and uploaded it; Pengo provided the species key.
Just because an artist has a few FP's doesn't mean his other art can't also be featured. There are numerous FPs from NASA. Should we not accept any from NASA in the future? Why not rate the image on its own merits? --BRIAN091822:24, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yes, we should rate the image by its own merit... but does the image illustrate its subject well? not being familiar with the creature, i have no idea... it's not something like a rose or dragonfly which most peopel have seen, you know...--K.C. Tang07:42, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Can't believe you had one fail. Make sure you notify me next time. These pictures can be a great catalyst to encourage people to write articles about the species depicted, especially for the lesser-known taxa! Let's encourage people to upload more old artwork like this! - Samsara (talk • contribs) 20:41, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ravedave is right I think. Why do we have to put every one of these plates through the FP process here? Virtually all Haeckel's images exhibit complete technical mastery and the scans we have are of very high quality. I propose simply making "The Haeckel Kunstformen der Natur Plate Collection" subsection of the FP page and having a gallery of all the works there. Vote?--Deglr632822:03, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A lot of the images, particularly the ones with light backgrounds, have some problems and could use better touch-up than what I could do. I never intended to put every one through FPC. I certainly think the whole colletion is something special, though.--ragesoss22:53, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't feel it illustrates the subject terribly well. Before looking at the article, I thought these might have been Fabergé eggs! On Wikipedia in 2006, we can probably do better than hundred-year-old illustrations as our primary source of images for marine biology. I'm also not fond of the way that the 15 sea squirts are lumped together in the article as "assorted". I suggest you or someone individually identifies them as they are on the image page. So overall, opposing because the image doesn't illustrate the topic well enough, and as a combined image, isn't "useful" enough to us. Stevage07:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The illustration is a little too "fantastic" for my taste (quite a bit of "artistic license", I'd say), so I have to agree with Stevage, not the best of encyclopecid illustrations today (in articles that are not about Haeckel or his art). --Janke | Talk05:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. They are very interesting and illuminate the subject better than anything else could. Adrian Pingstone and Stevage : These are "classic" pics that have stood the test of time as the best representatives of their topic. The fact that they are "idealised" is not a problem but an advantage - that way we see all of the features at once in a way that would not be possible in an actual photo. In professional botany, for example, drawings are preferrred over photos as they show all the elements of the plant regardless of the season. Same here. Wittylama03:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment—I'm torn on this one. I love the plate (and thanks again to Ragesoss for providing the image), but as said above, the organisms are overly idealistic. I added the key so I could compare the drawings to the real thing, but there are few photos of these specific species on the web. It's a shame we don't have any articles on the specific creatures. Here's two pics: —Pengo08:26, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment That's exactly what I meant by "too fantastic" - you would never be able to recognize a live specimen using Haeckels litho as a reference. --Janke | Talk14:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. What I liked about the other Haeckel FPs was that the black-and-white images had amazing contrast, while the color images brought all the subjects together in a single lively scene. This is neither. --BRIAN091815:13, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
yes, we can support the whole book as a rare work of art and love, but what many of us can't support here is the lack of encyclopedicity of this particular imgae. A FP is supposed to illustrate its subject in an appropiate manner; a FP is not supposed to be a mere adornment to its subject.--K.C. Tang03:19, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This drawing, like many other Haeckels, looks cool and colorful, but is too much of a fantasy representation for an encyclopedia. This is not how sea squirts look in the real world. I may have a picture lying around of sea squirts and will see if I can add that to the article. Janderk09:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The green framing is not needed, and one of the callouts is half in the green. And yes, an SVG would be ideal.--ragesoss20:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have fixed the framing though due to the way the callout is done it is extremely hard to move it around without botching either it or the background so for the moment I have left it as is and will be working a a version with that change later. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 21:46, 26 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For the membraneous vesticles? it contains letters not contained in any of the other words and the ones in that section are hard to make use of without overly fading / destroying due to the green background. Pegasus1138Talk | Contribs | Email ---- 05:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
weak oppose for borderless version; there is too much white space around the edge, and (in both versions) the dark green shading doesn't line up with the black outlines, especially on the lower right. If there was color spilling over all around it, in natural-looking ways, this might be stylish; as it is, it looks sloppy. Regarding the callout, I was talking about filamentous cytoskeleton; the one that touches the actual diagram is not a problem, in my opinion.--ragesoss00:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose PNG, but I would support SVG. There is absolutely no reason to upload this kind of illustration as PNG other than not knowing how to save it as SVG. What application was used to create the picture? It should be no problem to generate an SVG version from the original (not from the PNG though). --Dschwen10:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support version without green border. There's absolutely no reason to oppose an image just because it's not in an SVG format. That should only be an issue if it affects the quality of the image, which this doesn't. - Mgm|(talk)14:09, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually it does affect the quality of this image. If scaled to higher resolutions (e.g. for print) this PNG will not look sharp, whereas SVGs scale infinitely well. Redquark16:54, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Interestingly, the analogous animal cell diagramis an SVG, as are LadyofHats' other recent contributions. I think we should put this nomination on hold until she has a chance to respond to the request for an improved version. We all agree this is a great diagram, but most people also think it could be better by being an SVG (in which case we could also tweak it further without much trouble). Let's not settle settle for less than the best.--ragesoss01:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment/Oppose - While this illustration does some things well there are a few iffy things on the science front.
The leukoplast (most commonly spelled leucoplast) is a non-pigemented plastid (i.e. chloroplast) and typically only occurs in non-photosynthetic tissues - which is slightly problematic since this cell also has chloroplasts (and it should since they are a defining character of a "plant cell") - and should probably be removed for simplicity and accuracy.
The membrane around the vacuole is called the tonoplast - this should be added, the vacuole also takes up a lot of the cell - which is not really reflected here. The "wheel of cheese with a wegde removed" seems to be the best way to demonstrate with spatial relatioship between organelles in cells.
The spatial relationship of the rough and sooth ER and the golgi is kind of weird - and might be better illustrated more like this - the smooth ER in the FPC are disconnected in this FPC image - when they are in fact continuous - and I think the "small membranous vesicles" shouldn't be there (vesicles are small membrane bound compartments that move stuff between parts of the cell, especially in the ER - they are not big wormy things). It should probably also be shown that the rough ER is rough because of the association of ribosomes. The golgi is usually just referred to ad a Golgi body.
The filamentous cytoskeleton should probably be a different colour so it's not confused with the ER.
Why does cytosol label point to a red circle? when cytosol fills the whole cell?
Oppose. Shouldn't be featured until Peta's objections are addressed, and no edits seem to be forthcoming. Although there are more support votes than opposes, I think an FAC-style "one actionable objection is enough to sink the nom" standard should be applied in this case. Redquark19:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The plasma membrane is a layer that is in between the cytoplasm and the cell wall.
Here is the last SVG version with all the changes you have asked.
to answer to your questions:
the reason why the original is a PNG, is becouse to the time i was new on wikipedia and someone had told me that all diagrams should be in this format. later on someone else told me the same about SVG. and since this last one seems a much more practical format i started to work on it NOTE: there is a proplem with SVG format on wikipedia. the image will must probably do not show on galleries, and depending on the size of the thumb it will show or not on the article. i was hoping this would be fixed soon, meanwhile one can try to fix it by making a thumb instead of a gallery and changing the size of the thumb in one or two pixels.
PNGs can not be converted to SVGs, since one is a pixel based format and the other is a vector based format.
i actually liked the green border and to have the title inside the image becouse it lets the image stand alone without the need of the article; this allows the image to be used inside and outside wikipedia. i had in mind that the image was being released as public domain and that wikipedia images apear in many other websites, so i wanted the image to explain things by itself . this is also a reason why i type the names of the elements and not just numbers as many other people do. Even then i was told already several times that borders are not desired in wiki proyects. so i do not do them anymore :P.
on the elements names and why they apear, i based myself in the examples i had on hand. both in form , position and name. i know is posible there are mistakes and i am always open to fix them. you just had to tell me :)
Support updated version, although I think the small membrane bound vesicles are an unnecessary and potentially confusing addition.--Peta11:56, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose for the above reason. Great pic of the discharge but the background is really distracting. If this were the only known pic of the phenomenon that would be, but this is a man made phenomenon and as such can be replicated (and photographed against a better backdrop). Sorry. Wittylama03:58, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
oppose But the back ground could be blured enough to make it look okay I think. Then it'd be a support. second look and I dont think so.Wolfmankurd22:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Photo is not currently being used in any article. Unless it can be placed in an article it will be disqualified for failing to meet FPC criteria. TomStar8122:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I've uploaded an edit, but I'm not sure if either it or the original is to FP standards. Will decide on my vote later. --Fir0002www22:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Honorable try, but there are still the stich marks in the sky, the cut off gate. And now there is a discrepancy of the weather and the bon-bon-like colors. Also 600px in height is not that great. Especially the roof tiles could use more resolution (moiree banding). There are severely blown out areas in the image and the blue and red channels are pretty noisy. (but all that cannot be fixed with an edit anyway :-) ) --Dschwen10:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
neutral (was going to be a weak support till I read the above comment) the edit helps a lot, and I like the fact that this panorama has a definite scope - it covers the whole front wall of the forbidden city. So it's not just a random view out of a window, it's a view of a particular thing. Stevage12:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - The gate into it is cut off, and it doesn't actually show anything about the Forbidden City. It just shows the façade of the city. Kilo-Lima|(talk)17:40, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment This image is only 50% height and width of the original (so the original is about 1200px in height), the file size gets prohibitively large so I did not upload it (but I can do it if there are requests). As for the color, Beijing is smoggy so this is what you would see if you were there. Forcing high saturation and contrast would not be truthful representation of the subject. Thoughts?--Captain olimar14:14, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Does anyone else think that even though it is a panorama, the image might not have enough height. Also, with the thumbnails that would be displayed on the featured picture section, do you think there is enough visible detail?? Swollib07:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The height issue is entirely based on the vintage point from which it was taken. the Jingshan Park is only this high and below where I chopped the picture it's blocked by trees. Maybe it's not feature picture material afterall.--Captain olimar19:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Attention potential closer: There has been a request for the full-rez image to be uploaded. Please give the photographer a bit to upload it and see if that affects the voting. --Dante Alighieri | Talk16:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When it becomes this late in the process and there is a fundimental addition made, surely it would make more sense to resubmit? Many potential voters may not even scroll this far down the page. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)07:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This frog is very similar to another four species Litoria barringtonensis, Litoria phyllochroa, Litoria pearsoniana and Litoria nudidigitus and the taxonomy of these species is currently under review. This specimen was found at Darkes Forest in NSWAustralia, which is on the hybrid zone of two of these species (Litoria phyllochroa and Litoria nudidigitus). This specimen, along with other Darkes Forest specimens appear to show characteristics of both L. phyllochroa and L. nudidigitus.
Support. Is this frog sick though? What's that brown stuff on his body? Incidentally, since we have a few FPs of frogs, would it be fair to agree that we can have lots of FP's of frogs, but we can discriminate against photos of frogs if we already have an FP of exactly that species and variety? Stevage07:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
There is currently two FP of frogs, one is my photo of L. caerulea, and the other is the Haekel print. There is also frog spawn. So, I don't really see it is as bad as a lot of other subjects yet, but I do agree with you. --liquidGhoul07:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is a great photo, and it is better than your L. gracilenta photo. Good work. You can also see a couple scars on his back which helps towards showing it is wild. --liquidGhoul07:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment One Litoria phllyochroa that I saw in the Watagans had scars all over it's legs and lower back. It looked like something had attacked it. Froggydarb08:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support. The focus on the frog is good, but the background seems a little dull and dark. Next time try using a background that compliments the frog a little more. --Mad Max21:45, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Frog's texture is great(The camera quality is great) but the background is too dull and dark. Also the picture it self is too simple and the contrast with the Litoria phyllochroa and the background does not match. The Litoria phyllochroacan be also is too plain boring. Maybe the background can be edited to make the picture interesting and also at the same time make the frog stand out. Other than that I guess I like the Picture.^^ (Good Luck with your feature picture)
Oppose. I agree with the person above. As a camera expert and a frogs professional i think the picture is not unique enough and the camera work could be improved. Its a great camera so you could get a better result.
Comment As a camera expert how do you suggest my work be improved? Maybe you can upload some of your frog photos so I can learn from you. Froggydarb12:26, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. Its a nice picture Brad. Dont get pissed off at me lol.^^ (Good Luck with your feature picture). hpesoj
Strong Support. I love frogs. This is a great photo. The back ground could be a little lighter but the focus is so clear and presice. Awsome photo!!!Philby power08:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination of a peer reviewed pic that was sitting there, from the peer review:
I thought that this image, with minor touch-ups, could be a potential candidate for featured picture. The exposure and compostition look to be very good as it is, in my opinion; Picture can be found in the Dubrovnik article. Image was uploaded by Neoneo13.
SupportEdit. Amazing looking place. Image quality is boarding on the unacceptable but this is still pretty nice. --Fir0002www10:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
High Support - Either edit. I wanted to visit Dubrovnik after seeing this photo on the Croatia page. --MosheA17:08, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sorry, that JPEG artifacting is just too awful. Look at the left end of the front row of boats - absolutely horrendous. Unfortunately, it can't be edited out very well. Also, I'd like to see a larger version for something with this much detail. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ18:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have asked for a higher res less compressed version. I totally missed the artifacting when it was in peer review... -Ravedave22:04, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I would like to know why this image is supposed to be PD. It was uploaded on November 12, 2005. Smaller versions of this very image are found here and here (different color cast) (linked here). Both images are identical to ours, examine the positions of the boats, the shadows, the cars at the right border, etc. Fuller versions of evidently the same image are here or here (linked at [3]). I don't believe the "public domain" claim. While it would basically have been possible that the first two sites copied the image from us, this is clearly impossible for the fuller version. It rather looks like a promotional image, maybe from the tourist office. Lupo11:06, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think the image may be up to featured picture standards, and it has encyclopedic value too as it is currently in two articles, snail and White-lipped snail and could probably fit into more. The image was taken by me.
Hello everyone. Since no one has tested out Promenader's idea I took the liberty and did it myself. This edit should keep everyone happy (the field of view and the picture's composition are retained, the bright green leaves aren't as distracting, the blown out sky has been patched up, the size is reasonable for the file’s resolution and the image is slightly sharpened).
I have one request; please be a little more specific as to which edit you'd prefer. I've counted 12 votes so far that do not specify which edit they like so by default those votes count towards the unedited original. 9 votes prefer edit 2. --Every1blowz13:36, 27 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The original seems to have beat all the edits by a few votes, so unless anyone plans to change their vote soon it has been 7 days so I'll go ahead and make the original a featured picture. --Life is like a box of chocolates10:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. That snail is so cute! Good saturation, focus, and lighting. One request:could it be cropped more on the right side to eleminate that distracting bright-green patch. --Pharaoh Hound21:57, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For clarification, my preferences in descending order are edit2, edit1, edit3 and oppose edit 4 ("edited") (which "fixes" blown highlights but does nasty things to the leaves). Stevage11:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - everything's there, but instead of cropping (which would alter the composition) I'd suggest transposing a few leaves, or their tone, to cover those on the right. THEPROMENADER22:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Agree with Bcasterline. Good focus and details. Not particularly exciting, but definitely encyclopedic. -- Sprain02:00, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support My Edit. Really good image. Slightly sharpened and reduced file size of Froggydarb's edit by over a half (>1mb for that res is ridiculous and inconsiderate). --Fir0002www09:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Someone asked me to specify which version I liked. I like almost all of the edits because I just like the picture, but I can't really say any of edits have made the pciture any better. It looks about the same with me, so I'll just support the original untampered picture. --Life is like a box of chocolates19:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've been asked to specify which version of the image I support. It's hard for me to tell the differences between them. Could the people who created the later versions please specify the changes that they've made? It's really hard to make a decision otherwise. Without being about to figure out which changes have been made, honestly, I like the first version. I don't see why the bright leaves were cropped out. This is subject to change if people explain why and what they did. savidan(talk)(e@)16:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not exactly sure but just by looking it's obvious froggydarb cropped the picture, but otherwise everything else seems about the same. Fir sharpened the picture a little, and there's a slight increase in contrast. In my other edit I just fixed the blown out sky and changed the hue and saturation of the leaves to try out Promenader's idea. Wolfmankurd seems to have changed the color of most of the leaves into a more solid green without the highlights. In any case I went ahead and promoted the original as it had at least one more vote than the rest. --Mad Max20:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Lower Manhattan Skyline from the Staten Island FerryEdit 1 - Corrected lean and colour/contrast. Also wider on the right side and slightly higher resolution as a bonus ;)
Another image from earlier in the year. This is a 12 segment panorama that I took from the Staten Island Ferry, and is very high resolution (Original 7952x1875, Edit 1 12000x2510). I was surprised that I was able to stitch without any (perceptible?) flaws as the ferry was moving towards Manhattan quite quickly.
Support Excellent resolution (as always). At first, I thought this is just an OK picture - then I had a look at the pictures I have taken of the same subject... Mikeo18:48, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support This is one of the most crystal clear photos on Wikipedia right now. Unfortunately, it's what isn't in the picture that's stunning... Nilington 07:15 1 June 2006 (UTC)
True. The colors are also a bit too murky for my taste. Diliff, if you fix these two things, I'll support - because you're so good, I can ask for somewhat higher standards from you... ;-) --Janke | Talk12:55, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, I'm not sure what to think of that. ;) Well, it depends what one defines 'significantly' as.. I just had a look at the image and the far left building on Manhattan has a 2% lean, by the next building across it is 1% and by one-third of the way across it is imperceptible - not what I'd call significant but I accept there is a lean.. I'll give it a re-stitch anyway. As for the colours, what changes would you prefer? I can't change the weather! It was a bit murky... :) No seriously, I'm sure that some auto-levelling can neutralise the slight magenta tint (which I suspect was due to the low sun near the horizon). Give me 24 hours and I'll see what I can come up with. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If I may suggest, you might try an "Auto level", then fade that back to 70% - that got me a pleasing result without removing the "atmosphere". (Note that I only uploaded a small test image, and that I'll leave the stitching to the experts... ;-) --Janke | Talk15:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How does this one look? I couldn't correct it exactly the same way as you as I re-processed the images from RAW with slightly different colour balance settings but it seems approximate to your edit. Its also probably still not PERFECTLY straight, but a panorama of that size is actually very difficult to work with. To see how each minute change affects the image, you have to let it build the panorama (which can take 15-20 minutes). Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)00:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Now this is worthy of having a Diliff credit line... ;-) Removed my sample, in order not to confuse voters. --Janke | Talk06:58, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'll support this image whether or not it's edited although if you go ahead and try Janke's very subtle enhancements that be preferable. --Mad Max17:41, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's a real shame there was that cloud covering much of the left hand side (I assume that's what makes half of the image darker than the rest). Would there be any way to do a subtle gradient of brightening from right to left, or something like that? zafiroblue05 | Talk03:53, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Question this has been puzzling me for a while: The buildings on the right hand side are noticeably taller. is this because a) They're actually taller b) They're closer, or c) They were taken later in the sequence, when the boat was closer to them. Stevage23:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would say that the left hand side buildings were a combination of being smaller and being further away (due to the shape of Island), but not due to the ferry moving - if there was too much movement, the stitching would have completely failed. All of the frames were taken within about 10-15 seconds so the movement would have been minimal. All I was worried about was some overlapping buildings were sightly (and only slightly) taller between frames and therefore not aligned properly. I just confirmed the view with Google Earth (with 3d buildings turned on) and it basically exactly mirrors the panorama I took. Its accurate. This isn't quite the same perspective (taken from much closer), but it shows you the difference between the left and right sides. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)09:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Panorama of San Francisco in ruins from Lawrence Captive Airship, 2000 feet above San Francisco Bay overlooking water front. Sunset over Golden Gate. May 1906.Edit 1 by Vanderdecken. I can also remove the text at the bottom left, if nobody objects.Edit 2 by User:JankeEdit 3 by Fir0002
Excellent view of San Francisco after the earthquake of 1906, with the sun setting over the Golden Gate. I've cleaned up some of the dust/scratches in the image, but it could use a bit more work (maybe even contrast and white level changes), which is easy to do. Consider this a first draft until specific concerns are proposed and addressed.
Support. Very encyclopedic. We should resist trying to correct that slight tilt, because that is a part of the historic picture. Mikeo17:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The original is 11000x4500, but I was hesitant to force such a large file on everyone (10 or 20 MB). — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 18:40
I understand your motivation, but I think that in this case, where the photo is of great historical interest, the added detail available would be invaluable. I think you should upload the full-sized version. --Dante Alighieri | Talk18:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think any detail is really lost, though. The full size is blurry close-up. I applied a sharpen filter to bring out the detail, so that should be enough. What's the largest FP we have? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 18:56
If it's true that no detail is lost (I'll trust your judgment here), then I have no objection to the reduction in file size to create a fully sharp image. --Dante Alighieri | Talk19:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If people want to get the fullsize version, it's linked right on the image page (although it's 157MB in size). — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 19:14
Support Enormous historical significance. (And personal, too - my great-grandmother's sister was in San Francisco at that time - did she have stories to tell, back home in Finland - she lived to be 99!) BTW: If no-one else does it, I volunteer to enhance the levels & contrast a bit in a day or two. --Janke | Talk18:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This was the original version before I applied level/contrast/gamma changes, but I'm all for improvements. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 18:43
Support An awe-inspiring shot of San Francisco following the 1906 earthquake. I do have a few reservations about the image quality; however, I do believe that this is one of those rare cases where historical signifigance outwieghs most of the complaints raised over quality. TomStar8105:02, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Added a slightly edited version - more contrasty, with less blown highlights (roads etc) and I managed to remove some of the smudges over the water/docks. I can also remove the text at the bottom left, if nobody objects. And give me a Very Strong Support for any version. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ10:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The text is fine; other FPs have such documentation in them. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-03 13:59
Support original for a couple of reasons. And leave the writing there, it is interesting and quite readable at full-size, and the image has to be viewed full-size to get its real value anyway. --jjron11:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It would be handy if you guys could describe what changes have been made in the edits, as I'm struggling to see the difference between Janke's and Fir0002's edits. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)11:11, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I did a manual adjustment of the greyscale values using the "curve" adjustment - I kept the highligts as in the original, but lightened and increased the contrast in the darker mid-tomes. This kept detail in the shadows, too - a simple contrast or level edit doesn't have as fine control as the "curve" adjustment. Fir probably did the same, but a little more strongly - his "mid-darks" are a bit lighter than mine. Hope this explains... --Janke | Talk19:54, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Janke's edit. I'd suggest an explicit note in the caption on the article about the high resolution available. -- moondigger18:08, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note. Not to be a spoiler, but is this picture really public domain? The author, Geo. R. Lawrence, died in 1938 [4]. Add 70 years to that and it means that it will be public only in 2008, which is not that far away, but wikipedia should be accurate. Hopefully somebody can proof me wrong. Janderk08:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It was made before 1923, automatically making it public domain. Also, the LOC's description page says "No known restrictions on publication." That's their official code-phrase meaning "appears to be in the public domain." — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-08 15:48
Support. Great photo with significant historical importance. I just wish we could've had it for the 100 year anniversary.--Nmajdan18:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Probably worth noting none of the images here are the Library of Congress version, which has a brown sepia tint and is also somewhat faded. George Lawrence did see a black and white photo when he developed a print (had to be a contact print, no 4 ft. wide enlargers). But then he added a sepia tint, which was fashionable at the time. And the LofC copy is also faded with time. So these black and white (grayscale) versions are actually probably closer to what Lawrence saw, even if different in appearance from the LofC copy.
Another point: the resolution of an original contact print is substantially greater than any of these images. For example, the Whittell building on Geary St. was under construction. The steel skeleton is blurred in these versions, but the individual girders are sharp and distinct on a contact print. These images are from the LofC 300 dpi scan, would be great to see this photo scanned at 2400 dpi when we might get all the detail it contains.
Weak oppose of the Original. I agree with Veledan, the edit is sharpened too much. I've given some more thought to its size, much smaller than I would like, however I suppose it is technically big enough. Also, I forgot how difficult it is to get a not hazy image in a church. Even with all my reconsiderations I still do not think that it is FP material, I find the image rather boring. --Pharaoh Hound22:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I do not agree with Redquark's assesment. The image is of reasonable size and clarity. Not to mention it is also beautiful. This is far more than a church -- it is grander than any I've seen. it resembles a small cathedral with wood subsituting for stone. Definetly worthy. Support. -- Jason Palpatine06:42, 21 May 2006 (UTC)speak your mind[reply]
Support Edit. Boy these shots are hard to get. This makes we want to go and see the place. Edited version is far sharper and better, have to go with that, would probably oppose original for haziness. I notice that Deanpemberton who took this pic created the page it is on - must say the page itself needs a fair bit of improvement, wonder if he can fix it up. --jjron11:57, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support original; weak because of the small size, so I think we should ask the photographer whether he will upload a larger one. The edit looks good at first glance but I think it's a bit too sharpened - it has introduced jagged edges to the roof beams and the top of the red flag, at least on my monitor. ~ Veledan • Talk14:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Request - can someone provide some more background on this image? I understand that it demonstrates high dynamic range techniques, of which I only have the fuzziest understanding. As a church, well, ok I live in Europe, but it's not that exciting. The point of view is to my taste fairly average, with a lot of the frame taken up by pews. Is that image primarily being suggested to demonstrate HDR? Or because it's a nice photo of a church? If the former, would it be possible to make the original photos available, and to explain whether these shots are particularly difficult to make? If the latter, I think we're going to need a higher resolution photo - and maybe some touching up, as the image seems very "soft", like nothing is quite in focus. Thanks. Stevage15:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I nommed it primarily as a picture of a church. If we're more interested in HDR as such, the two top pictures on High dynamic range imaging would probably be more appropriate. I chose the bottom one because it provides a better view of the whole structure. Redquark13:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This was composed from photos? It looks like CGI to me, almost painted. Fir0002's edit is sharpened far too much. howcheng {chat}19:14, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral It just doesn't do it for me, even if I can objectively appreciate its strengths. Something about the combined exposures leaves the whole thing a bit bland - there are no dark spots anywhere. I feel like I'm in a church lit by fluourescent lights all over the place. Strong preference for the edit. Wouldn't mind seeing the original exposures if they're available. Stevage12:53, 23 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Church is actually incredibly dark? And we're talking about promoting a brightly lit photo of it as being "encyclopaedic". Seems to contradict point number 6 - it's simply not "accurate". Is this the downside of HDR? The image would be more accurate with high contrast, dark points and bright points. Stevage07:52, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The church is incredibly dark both times I've been into it (wedding and a funeral). But wow that is a good photo of it. --Midnighttonight03:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's not an HDR image, it's a LDR mapping from a HDR image. There is no info on the technique, was the contrast flattened via some form of automated tone mapping or was it just manually blended with masking? I'd like to see a linear full HDR image, and then we could use it to demonstrate multiple methods of tone mapping. If this was done using manual masking I'd be willing to take the orignals and produce a true HDR image via registered comparimetric blending which could then be compressed to LDR for demonstration of tonemapping techniques. --Gmaxwell13:27, 24 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Not a particularly good example of HDR, especially given the blooming seen in the window area at the right side. It's an attractive interior architecture, but I believe a better version of the image could be made with another try. -- moondigger18:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted Image:Old saint pauls 2.jpg Tough to draw a consensus but I make this a pass at 10.5/4, giving half weight to weak votes and counting Pharoah's vote only once ~ Veledan • Talk10:03, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good photographs of non-US armoured vehicles are not all that common, and so I'd like to nominate this photo of a Land Systems OMC RG-12 armoured vehicle. I feel it adds value to the article by being a clear representation of the subject matter, as well as being fairly pleasing to the eye. It is used in the RG-12 article, and the photo is my own.
Oppose. Shall I be first to say it - it's too small according to FPC Criterion 2. There's nothing that bad about the picture, though not sure it's that special. Perhaps if you have a bigger version you could upload and try nominating that instead? --jjron11:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I like the photogrpah, its clear, concise, in focus, and although its reolution is a little low I feel that it still conveys the point. TomStar8104:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment — It would appear I misinterpreted the FPC criteria regarding image size, as I assumed this would be adequate. Nevertheless, I understand the objections, even while I personally regard the vehicle itself as far more interesting than other subject matter, such as frogs. Personal opinion, I guess. — Impi14:34, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. My comment was directed more at Childzy's sarcastic "Oooohhh a van how interesting" comment. I'm not even close to being a good enough photographer to believe my photos themselves are uniformly good or interesting. — Impi16:40, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm right there with you. I have tons of photos I've taken, many of them useful to articles (as is your nice RG12 photo), but none that I'm confident are truly up to FP standards. I guess we'll both have to keep honing our crafts. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk18:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The "oooohhhh" comment is not new to the FPC process, but if it makes you feel any better a fellow wikipedian wrote "A shiny penny. Ho-hum" during the Licoln Cent FPC and that image still managed to get featured. The important thing to remember is never give up ;) TomStar8104:53, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Heh, I guess I'll have to admit that the photo just wasn't up to it. Ah well, thanks for the comments and the votes guys. Besides, failure's not a bad thing, it's a great way of telling us what not to do. :P — Impi22:13, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't nominated anything in a while but it seems like the standard of picture candidates has been slipping a little. ;) Heres a photo I took earlier this year of a Giant Grouper. Its quite high resolution and detailed considering it was shot through a ~1 inch thick sheet of glass. It also shows both the grouper itself as well as the smaller fish that tend to follow it for safety.
Comment. I have a bit of a problem here. In one article this is identified as a Giant grouper (E. lanceolatus), in another as a Goliath grouper (E. itajara). It can't be both. What gives? I quite like the pic, but can't support a pic that's associated with obvious misinformation. --jjron11:31, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit 3. It looks even better now. (and by the way, I don't think the fish hideous at all, on the contrary he's very regal looking) --Pharaoh Hound13:01, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Good point. I remember it being identified as a Giant Grouper at the aquarium and added it only to that article - someone else has added it to the Goliath Grouper article. This misinformation is not relevent to the image itself and can easily be corrected. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:12, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for fixing up that error Diliff. Yes, I see that it wasn't you that attached this picture to the Goliath Grouper article. Let me just emphasise though that I don't think anyone should be nominating or supporting known erroneous images, after all this is an encyclopaedia, not just a photo gallery. --jjron09:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support original. That's a slick-looking edit Fir, but I don't think the rock hurts the composition and I'm a bit uneasy about adding fake fish to the picture. Redquark19:06, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I don't think we get enough of the grouper. He's swimming towards the camera and we don't see enough of it body. - Hahnchen19:56, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original I like the picture and I dont' think the rock on the lower right side is hurting anything -- BWF8920:25, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support. Hello, Every1blowz here (changed my name). I wasn't sure I liked the dull colors or contrast on the original, and it seemed to be tinted an ugly yellow with the small yellow fish taking on an almost yellowish-green color. Although Fir's edit was pretty clever, I also didn't think the rock hurt the composition. In my edit basically everything is the same except the water is actually blue and the yellow fish are actually yellow. I also sharpened the grouper a little. --Mad Max21:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original, oppose edits. The rock is ok, why bother removing it? Whats the idea behind the Mad Max edit? What makes you think the new colors are justified, or even better? --Dschwen06:37, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's just a matter of asthetics. I think the blue water goes better with the yellow fish; they stand out more, as opposed to the original's teal color. Also, it may be just me, but the teal color seems to give the water a "murky" look, which I'm just not liking. The grouper has also been slightly sharpend in Mad Max's edit so that's good. --Life is like a box of chocolates09:09, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We have been through the argument of aesthetics vs accuracy in the past, but as the original photographer I can confirm that the water WAS a little murky in reality and the original colour is quite accurate. I run all the photos I take through a raw processor and colour-correct if I feel it is necessary. I can understand this is a subjective thing and I can see how the edit by mad max looks 'cleaner' but I don't think that sanitising an image for aesthetics is always as important as people seem to believe. An imperfect subject is equally valid if it is photographed well. For reference, This is a photo taken from the same aquarium (although not exactly the same tank or lighting conditions). Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)09:31, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'll change my vote in response to this new information, but it really doesn't matter that much. I don't see how slightly changing the color of water in any way changes the photo's accuracy in any significant way. I mean, the photo illustrates a grouper, and in both photos the grouper is still there, the little fish are still there, and so is the rock, and they're all about the same color (the rock is a little redder but whatever). All that has changed is a slight variation in the waters color, what's the big deal? In fact, I like both the original and the mad max edit about the same, and in fact they are about the same, except as you said mad max's looks slightly "cleaner" and that was enough for me to prefer it. --Life is like a box of chocolates10:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I agree that the difference is minimal, but the accuracy is still important IMHO. The colour of the grouper in question has also changed - it isn't just the water and rock. That said, the colour of a fish under water will always be tinted by the surrounding water so it is difficult to see the 'original' colour of a fish without pulling it out of the water. :) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)10:18, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
True. I'll admit it makes very much sense to keep the water the same color if you plan to use this photo in the Georgia Aquarium article. However, if you're just going to use it to illustrate the grouper in the grouper article, then the difference in the waters color is not a significant issue. On a lighter note I have to commend you on your other photo, very cool shot man--Life is like a box of chocolates10:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support original. Agree with Dschwen, rock is cool and the darker blue is a bit weird. The teal-ish is what makes it unique and the rock sets the environment. --Fbv65edel(discuss | contribs)03:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose like with the snapper I prefer shots of animals taken in their natural environement. The colors look artificial, which is probably due to the aquarium light. Janderk22:52, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
From my time spend free-diving and scuba diving the Caribean, the Indian and Pacific oceans the first two look too green and Mad Max edit way too blue. Maybe it's the color of the aquarium wall, the thick glass, or the murky aquarium water condition (as you state above), or just the color levels. Don't get me wrong, it is still a good shot, but to be featured: the colors should be more realistic of a natural environment; the subject a bit more from the side; a bit of natural environment (like a coral reef) should show up and at least some of the small fish should be in focus. Well maybe all of that is a bit demanding. The main reason I am opposing is because it looks like an aquarium shot, which is not that strange considering that it is an aquarium shot. I am Sorry for that. The good news is that it will probably get promoted despite my opinion ;) Janderk10:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I edited the picture on an old(er) monitor which doesn't show colors as good as some of the newer models with coloreal technology. Now that I look at both pictures, the original isn't that bad and my edit isn't much better; it is too blue. I was going to go in and fix it but figured it'd be a waste of time since my edit probably won't be promoted anyway. --Mad Max20:29, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment it's a bit small - only 800px wide. Where exactly did it come from? If it's not contributed by a Wikipedian I'm inclined to reject it. It's pretty, but the small size...hm. Stevage11:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Submitter appears to be the photographer, and has also been caught redhanded for previous vandalism. Also, is there some sort of policy/rule regarding people with only a few edits/unregistered IPs voting? —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ12:21, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Cool image but unfortunatley it cannot be a featured picture as one of the requirements is an image at least 1000 pixels in size. --Mad Max17:46, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm wondering if that should be such a hard limit. I noticed the featured pic on today's main page (the apartheid sign) didn't meet that requirement. Perhaps it should just be a "desirable attribute" like any other. Stevage18:25, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This has been discussed in the past - we've made exceptions for historically significant images where we may not have access to the original. I think that was probably one of those. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)18:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Paddletail, Melbourne AquariumEdit1 by jjron to bring out tail from backgroundEdit2 by M jurrens bumped up the color, removed water noise, made the water more blue and lush, hammered out contrast.
Hope Diliff doesn't mind me riding the coattails of his Grouper nom, but I like this shot. It illustrates the Snapper article well and was quite difficult to get - as with Diliff's it was taken through thick glass and low lighting which tends to make for difficult conditions.
Weak oppose. Composition is rather plain, and the tail is difficult to distinguish against the background. No serious flaws, but nothing especially notable either. Commons has tons of diagrams of these fish. -- bcasterline • talk16:02, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, but I think the key word is diagrams. There are no actual photos that look any good. As for the composition, I think it's pretty much ideal for encyclopeadic purposes isn't it? I mean that's the angle all the diagrams are drawn at - persumably for easy identification. I could understand the "plain composition" if this was the Commons FPC where something a little more artistic is required, but for en FPC I think it covers all the points on Wikipedia:What is a featured picture? quite well. I think even the "head on" angle Diliff used in his Grouper shot was what some people considered a defect - "I don't think we get enough of the grouper". But obviously I'm biased and it up to you guys to decide... --Fir0002www22:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A good photo is superior to a diagram, of course. But this photo, taken in profile against a plain background, is not so different from one -- and yet has less encyclopedic value because a diagram is perfect in ways a photo can't be. I agree that this photo isn't an egregious violation of any of the criteria, so I opposed weakly. I just don't think it's FP material. Is this really going to make a reader want to know more? -- bcasterline • talk01:38, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. I don't mind at all. Its a sharp, detailed photo of the fish, but the composition is a little underwhelming. Not sure why the others feel it is blurry though, as it certainly appears sharper than my grouper pic. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)16:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you'd be surprised, fish (or at least I've found) are extremely hard subjects to capture. Unless you have an underwater camera you have to shoot through the thick glass and low light of an aquarium. --Fir0002www22:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not disputing that there's a great deal of skill/luck involved in managing to capture such a fine representation of a fish like this, but IMO a FP should have a bit of "zazz" that this image lacks. I don't see how THIS image is any more worthy of FP status than any other clear shot of a fish. What makes this image any more "FP material" than this image?--Dante Alighieri | Talk00:19, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well maybe the example you chose wasn't really that good to argue your point (cut off subject, lack of sharpness, burnt out fluro blues) but I understand your point. Just for my benefit, what exactly is the difference between my photo, and Diliff's photo of the Grouper. Why is that so overwhelmingly support while this pic isn't? Just wondering so that I can improve. --Fir0002www11:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm not the one to ask, since I voted Oppose on the grouper as well. ;) If I had to speculate on what would make your photo "better" (i.e., what would make me vote Support), I'd say that a bit more of the surroundings might be nice, or a more interesting background. All in all, I'm just not sure that a "vanilla" shot of any fish would do it for me. I don't know what else to say, sorry. Like I said, it's really a good shot of the fish, and invaluable to the article, but ultimately I don't think that it's "the best WP has to offer", although it certainly is the best shot of that fish. ;) --Dante Alighieri | Talk15:27, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Technically, they're both ok shots. However, this pic makes me think "some fish", while the grouper pic goes "what the hell is that?". From an encyclopaedic point of view, they're both fine - but the grouper one is more interesting with the surrounding smaller fish and the space, and the "aquariumness" is less obvious. The grouper is also facing the viewer - a more interesting shot. Anyway, just my $.02 Stevage18:33, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Fish ARE hard to capture, however, the image seems kind of plain, so I have to agree with Dante Alighieri on this one. --Mad Max09:10, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
SupportEdit 1. I have edited the image to bring out the tail from the background, as to me that was its main weakness. Have also slightly sharpened it. Agree 'profile' is most encyclopaedic angle for a fish photo, even though it may not make the most exciting photo around. --jjron10:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Looks too much like an aquaruim shot and I prefer animals to be photographed in their natural environment. Janderk22:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose A fish tank photo is pretty ordinary. But that doesn't matter so much because it does not meet the first criteria for a featured image. Fish colors are way too dark, but I still don't like the edits. Good kitty18:08, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose all edits The original is too dark. Edit 1 is slightly better but still lacking that extra something. Edit 2 has an eye-catching background (interesting mix of blue and green) however, now something looks wrong with the tail and everything around it. It's noticeable that someone tried to lighten the background and it looks wrong because of the shadows and lighting on the tail. Plus, the fish looks overly saturated, but I know how that goes, I've gotten carried away many times myself when editing a picture. In any case, I may change my vote to weak support if someone combines edit 1 and edit 2; use edit 1 and apply the colors od edit 2, although slightly desaturated. That should keep the image looking realistic and with sexy colors.--Mad Max04:47, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's not a bad image... it is a routine image of a colorful fish. Nothing about it screams "featured picture." -- moondigger14:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
File:Red-headed Rock Agama.JPGRed-headed Rock Agama warming itself in the morning sun on a cliff face overlooking Nakuru National Park, Kenya. (August 2005)File:Red-headed Rock Agama( without blow highlights).JPGRed-headed Rock Agama warming itself in the morning sun on a cliff face overlooking Nakuru National Park, Kenya. (August 2005)[edit 1attempted to fix blown highlights]Edit by Fir0002
I saw this picture from Chris huh, and thought it look brilliant. So I nomiated it. I just love the vivid colours. It adds a LOT to the otherwise very dull article. Hope he doesnt mind :D
You know, the highlights are still blown - but instead of being white, they're now an uniform medium gray - no detail whatsoever in the now darker "highligts". --Janke | Talk06:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
- even in Fir's otherwise good edit, there are no details in the blown-out tip of the snout and the neck. What is lost in the original, can't be brought back by any edit. Changing to weak oppose, though. --Janke | Talk13:06, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I changed my mind after reading some of the other comments. The distracting background and highlights are not good enough to make this lizzard featured. Janderk07:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose original and edits Cool lizard, Fir good job on your edit, however the image itself just doesn't work for me. I agree with Janke. --Mad Max05:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not promoted Fir's edit is obviously supported to supplant the original in articles, but still only 10/8 so not promoted to FP ~ Veledan • Talk10:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose - horizon tilted & murky colors (both can be fixed), but more seriously, the composition isn't very good. I'd like to see a little more of what's below the bottom edge... --Janke | Talk13:16, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Iguassu Falls, on the border between Argentina and Brazil.
by Misiones Province's official website (from [5])
In various articles, among them Iguazu Falls.
I think that this captures particularly well the whole area of the Falls, and was Picture of the Day about a year ago. I found it looking though the various World Heritage Sites of Latin America, and hope to put it on the Latin America Portal.
Withdraw, as too small. (sorry, I couldn't find the size of the picture to begin with, and so thought it was big enough.) -Estrellador*13:09, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Since it looks like the Flinders St Station candidate from last week won't get through, thought I would nominate the historic 1927 image that so many people said they liked. Some interesting things include the mix of motor vehicles and horse drawn carts on the streets, and it appears the trams are electrified, at least in Swanston St (earlier than I would have thought). To me it is a fantastic picture of the station, has historic and encyclopaedic value, shows how little (and much) the station has changed in eighty years, and is pretty good size and quality for its age. It appears in the Flinders Street Station, Flinders Street, Melbourne, and Melbourne articles. It was uploaded by User Gsl on commons. Don't know the original photographer, but it is in the public domain as it's out of copyright.
I wish they'd make trams do hook turns! BTW, if you were serious, the hook turn article doesn't mention this, but if my memory serves me correct hook turns weren't introduced until somewhere around the early 1980s. Most horses and carts were off the streets by then. :) --jjron10:19, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. It's a good and fairly large image, and I couldn't find any similar historical featured pictures with both architecture and people. erikD16:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Great image. Since my previous nom failed, it's nice to see a Flinder St Station image getting featured. --Fir0002www10:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hands at the Cuevas de las Manos in Santa Cruz Province, Argentina.
This is an informative picture of one of the caves at Cuevas de las Manos. It clearly shows the hands, and is pretty too. It has also, against very stiff competition, become one of the images on the World Heritage Site page, and the only Latin American one.
Appears in: Cueva de las Manos; World Heritage Site. By: User:Marianocecowski
Withdraw, as too small. (sorry, I couldn't find the size of the picture to begin with, and so thought it was big enough.) Estrellador*13:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have left a message on the uploader's talk page. This is an incredible image, and I would support it now if it was not withdrawn. And when did the criteria change for size? --liquidGhoul14:11, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
For quite some time, the general consensus has been at least 1000 pixels in one dimension - this is 800 by 600, but I'm ready to support it too, if no larger one can be found. The "standards" for FP are evolving all the time, but exceptions can - and should - be made for extraordinary subjects, such as this one. --Janke | Talk14:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Errr, I'm sure I have a bigger version somewere. I'll try to upload it tomorrow, ok? Should I do it under the same name? Thanx. Mariano(t/c) 16:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This map took long several months of work and now it illustrates Lithuania and Geography of Lithuania. It is a huge map, one of the best (if not the best) maps online. Created by User:Knutux using Inkscape. SVG source is also on commons. If any map is worth FP, this is it.
Comment Actually, I'm pretty sure the only browser that supports raw .SVG files is Opera. But, that shouldn't matter because Wikipedia servers convert all .SVG images into .PNG images when the that image is requested. The .SVG image of this map is Image:LithuaniaPhysicalMap-Detailed.svg, but the image seems to be corrupt. —BlackandWhite (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Konqueror and the new Firefox also support it. In that spirit violently oppose PNG, weakly support SVG. It is amazing to me that people are still discussing about this no-brainer. Concerning this very map, the height scale bothers me, why clip away such a big rectangle? --Dschwen17:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The file was not corrupt (downloading svg shows it correcty), there were some mediawiki rendering problems. I have re-uploaded the file and now it is rendered, but incomplete renderer does not support some features (for example, specifying system language), so does not render correctly. Knutux04:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support If The overflowing border is really disturbing. If anyone can photoshop it, or even better, figure out the error in the XML in the .SVG file and edit it from there, I will support it. —BlackandWhite (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:53, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. I'm alright with the overflowing borders, since numerous maps have done this throughout history. My only problem is that the text naming plains and plateaus is nearly unreadable. — 0918BRIAN • 2006-06-01 21:19
Are you alright with slavery since numerous cultures have condoned it throughout history? ;) Seriously though, what reason is there to have the borders overflow the edge in that manner? --Dante Alighieri | Talk21:51, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I just don't see any problem with it. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 05:19
Could you describe just a bit more the unrreadable part? It looks just fine (just not on a thumb size, of course) to me so I am not sure hopw one could fix it. Also, please bear in mind that the text is transparent so not to shadow smaller names of cities and rivers and lakes which, if bigger, could not be crammed onto the map. Renata01:20, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I know why it's transparent; it's just too transparent to be readable unless you already know what the words say. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-02 05:19
Neutral - as per Brian0918 - it's too hard to read some of the features. But it's a pretty good map. I also don't know why the key to the countours is so large. - Hahnchen22:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Perhaps the names of the cities should have round dots like most maps to show exactly where the location is? Without the dots and the fact that it is italicized, it was hard for me to distinguish that they are cities, and not regions or something else. Swollib06:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, that was my only negative response, too. The "overflow" is so common on maps that I didn't even react to it, originally. --Janke | Talk07:05, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak supportSupport The map itself is very good, and the border overflow is only very slightly disturbing. I do think it could use some typographic work though, as not everything is easy to read. City "dots" sounds like a good thing as well. erikD16:18, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I just can't justify the northern border. As well as there is some difficulty reading some of the names.say198803:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Too many different text styles, often overlapping, make it difficult to look at (as well as the dot issue).--ragesoss23:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Any reason why maps shouldn't be featured pictures? Especially this map, as it is of high quality, high resolution(infinite with SVG), certainly is of Wikipedia's best work(you don't find much high quality, free, SVG-maps around) and is highly useful. In fact, on the only account that I can see it failing the featured picture criterias is that it is not as pleasing to the eye as it could be. I think there are several reasons why it could be better. 1: Due to it's semi-transparency the grey/white pattern shines thourgh when looking at the medium size version. This could probably be remedied by simply adding a white background. 2: The map tries to do a lot at once. As such, when viewing the smaller versions, it will look cluttered. However, if you put a designer to work on the colours and the type, that should help a great deal. One change that would help would help is changing the colours in the height-map from going from green to red to going from green to brown, and using colours with low saturation. That way the rivers will stick out better and one could use red for cities. When speaking of cities, smaller cities should probably have icons rather than differently sized and differently coloured dots. For the terrain names like "Southeastern Plain" one should probably use a smaller, heavily letter-spaced serif font. City names should probably also be placed consistently. It's been some time since I've used InkScape, and I've never been an expert, but if noone else is up to it I can try to do some work on the map when the most recent changes find their way over to the SVG version. erikD15:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral, with comments. I'm hesitant about this one because I don't think any of us is qualified to say whether it's accurate or not. Is User:Knutux a cartographer? What source was used to create the map? If it was another map, and that map was copyrighted, then this is a copyright violation, even though it was created and licensed by a Wikipedian. In other words, it is a copyright violation to draw a map if the way you're doing it is by looking at another copyrighted map. -- moondigger19:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
AFAIK, you can freely redraw a map without infringing copyright. The data on a map is factual, not "artistic", and facts cannot be copyrighted. The coloring, typography and other details can be, so a specific map (or map style) can indeed be copyrighted. But, a caveat: IANAL... --Janke | Talk20:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Let me explain what I mean about the copyrights to maps. Many cartographers (at least those in the U.S.) insert a few fake features into their maps in obscure areas. They do this so they can more easily prove copyright infringement against publishers who make maps by copying theirs. If a given feature doesn't actually exist, how can a publisher claim they DIDN'T copy from a competing publisher's map, containing the fake feature? I admit I am not a lawyer, but I am fairly certain that (at least according to U.S. law) you cannot copy a map (by hand or otherwise) unless the source you're copying from is in the public domain or is under a free license. -- moondigger01:38, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
FYI:IANAL and TINLA. Maps (other than those produced by the U.S. Government) are copyrighted, and may not be reproduced by any method without explicit permission of the publisher. Map copyright infringers are subject to the same copyright infringement penalties that apply to copyrighted writing. This is U.S. law, and may not apply in other countries. I found several references to this, including one that summarizes the issues pretty well here [6].
I don't know how this particular map was produced, and am not making any accusations. But because we don't know from the description how the map was made, it is worth considering. -- moondigger02:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not promoted Even if .png is thought acceptable for a map, it's still only 8/6 not counting Black & White's conditional vote ~ Veledan • Talk 10:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC) ~ Veledan • Talk10:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A satellite image of southern Norway with snow shown as red highlights the terrain. Especially the fjords Sognefjorden and Hardangerfjorden are clearly visible.
This image is currently used in Geography_of_Norway. I'm nominating it because it shows the terrain of Norway(and especially the fjords) very well at the same time as it is quite different from most satellite images. I think it is really striking and has great encyclopedic value. I considered adding a cropped version to Fjord, but since that article already has a great satellite image of fjords I decided not to bloat the page with a somewhat similar image.
Oppose. I don't think this is special enough to qualify as a featured picture. Satellite images of this resolution are quite abundant. I also do not see any need for using red to show snow - white would be just fine. Mikeo16:07, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm actually quite curious about the color myself, as colored images are listed as false-color(see this for example), but this one is listed as true-color. Additionaly, this was the only image I was able to find with this much of Norway without clouds. I'm wondering if there is any connection between the amount of terrain detail seen and the red color(comparing with this Greenland image for example), but unfortunately, the information on NASAs image page is sparse. erikD16:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I quite like the colouring! It makes you concentrate on the purpose of the picture - the topography and coastline. Obviously it's not "real" but that doesn't make it any less valid. Witty lama 09:50, June 4, 2006
Oppose The color is very irritating and takes away from its educational value. --Geoffrey Gibson 17:44, June 4 2006 (UTC)
Just throwing this image into the fray. I accept that it could be more encyclopaedic if the goose was standing up and its whole body including legs were visible, but I feel it is still high enough quality and pleasing to the eye to be worth a nomination.
Oppose. Does not make a good thumbnail due to lack of contrast of main subject (esp. beak!) with nervous background. Also, shouldn't this have been nominated on Commons, since the nominator acknowledges it is not particularly encyclopaedic? - Samsara (talk • contribs) 17:10, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, most images don't look that great in a thumbnail, but I think this one looks as good, if not better than most as a thumbnail, and also, I said it could be more encyclopaedic if it was standing up. Not that it wasn't at all encylopaedic. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)18:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This is a lovely photo of the goose, but, for mine, it needs the legs to be truly encyclopaedic. I keep looking at it and thinking it is a really nice pic, but then I keep coming up with the same feeling about the missing legs/lower part of body. Compare it to some of the other (also really good) pics in the article to see what I mean. (BTW, I think the thumbnail looks fine). --jjron11:11, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think you're making too much out of the "missing legs". Should this image be unfeatured because there are no legs? What's the big deal about bird legs? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-05 02:23
I have not carefully considered your pochard picture, but my gut response is that there is a reason for it to be missing the legs, i.e., it's swimming. Similarly if it was sitting on a nest, there would be a reason for legs not to be there, and it would be encyclopaedic for different reasons. To put it bluntly, this goose is just being lazy. --jjron07:23, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Are lazy geese unencyclopaedic and unnatural? ;) The only thing that doesn't help this image is that part of the goose is obscured but I don't think the reason why is particularly important - whether it is swimming or sitting, it is still equally natural. However, I don't feel that a featured picture has to portray a subject definitively and completely if it is assisted by other (perhaps less spectacular) images in the article. A FP is just a lead image to an article, where a more complete overview of the subject can be found. Thats how I see it, anyway. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)08:43, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thought you'd like the jibe about the lazy goose ;). And who said it was unnatural? I agree with what you say about the FP, of course no (or almost no) pic can portray all aspects of a subject. But some of us clearly feel the missing bits do matter in this case, and can't we have that opinion? Also I do think the reason matters, like just as a random example I would probably be far less likely to support a picture of a sleeping lion than a prowling lion, both with the same amounts of body missing. BTW, not sure if you wish to retract the part about FPs being the 'lead image to an article', as I notice lots of FPs and FPCs, even those attracting lots of supports right now (yes, including this one) are NOT the 'lead image' (and yes, I realise this was when you nominated it). But if you stick to that argument everyone here better retract their support right now. (And I said right from the start that I like the picture!). --jjron06:41, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't plan on retracting my statement about FPs typically being a 'lead image', but I probably should clarify - I meant to say a lead-in image. I didn't mean they had to be the first image IN the article, I was refering to how most people come across the FP. They see it on the main Wikipedia page as the Featured Picture of the Day and decide to click on it and/or the corresponding hyperlinks to article(s) to find out more. Featured pictures wouldn't exist on wikipedia (at least not on the En Wiki - they would on Commons) without an article to contribute to. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)07:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I don't really mind to much the absence of the legs, but I find the strong background very distracting. A little suggestion (which of course you can utterly ignore) is to have shot this with your lovely 20-200m/f2.8 at full 200m at around f/5.6 - f/8. This I think would result in a more pleasing bokeh. Also maybe shooting from ground level may have helped. --Fir0002www10:11, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Funny, I rather like the background. I actually would prefer a deeper DoF, as I think the goose in the field of little flowers is quite attractive and adds a certain something to the image. --Dante Alighieri | Talk20:17, 5 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Was that a rhetorical question? Actually, I just noticed that someone had decided to replace my image in the Greylag Goose article with an interesting but extremelylow quality image of a goose landing, and decided to remove my image from the article completely, rather than move it to the gallery. This has since been fixed. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)06:28, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ah. I hadn't realized that the "goose in flight" was a new image. When people started talking about the "lead image", I wanted to check the greylag goose article and couldn't find your photo. I guess I should have just looked at the history. :( --Dante Alighieri | Talk16:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support The legs aren't that bad, as you never see every feature of an animal (something will always be covered) and the background is only a teeny bit distracting. Absolutely great image. Staxringoldtalkcontribs01:49, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support If I were to see this goose in real life, I would now be able to identify it. A nice, sharp, clear image. ~MDD469614:32, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Sometimes I swear that "a great photo" really only equals "used a really good camera". Dull and uninspired image. --SeizureDog11:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - That is one beautiful goose! The lack of legs is really not as big of a deal as everyone is making it to be; it is definitely encyclopaedic, clear and natural. -MosheA14:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
No editing can bring "back" something that isn't in the original image. It can be darkened, yes, but the sky and part of the wall will still be stark white. Sorry... --Janke | Talk08:41, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose due to roof being cut-off. A shame, if you had got less of the dirt out front, you could have got all the roof. They're really interesting houses. BTW image is in Batak (Indonesia) article, not Batak article. --jjron11:32, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Very cool subject, bad framing and blown out highlights. I have noticed that on auto settings Cannon PowerShot cameras tend to have blow-out highlights pretty bad. I was pretty peeved when I dowloaded Image:Starflower.jpg and the flower was blown out. Looked fine on my LCD.-Ravedave16:29, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I like this picture, and I think the only thing that could have improved it would be to show the whole roof, but too late! I like this picture anyways though. It's interesting and "encyclopedic" because it shows the housing of another culture. fpwannabe
This is one of the most infamous photos ever taken during the Cold War: A U.S. reconnaissance photograph of soviet missile site on Cuba, taken from a Lockheed U-2 spy plane following the Cuban missile crisis.
support, If this is what you say it is then great! The historical importance of the pic far outweighs the fact that it is not particularly eye-pleasing. The method of the photo's capture is as important as it's subject. Wittylama09:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It meets some of the criteria listed here, but while its historical significance & value to the article (#5) are beyond question, I don't think that can override the other criteria that it misses on (1, 3 and 7). A picture can be highly valuable to an article without being a featured picture. -- moondigger14:30, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The first criteria is out of my hands, overhead photographs from this era were black and white and of meduim quality at best. This was the limit of technology, which is one reason why those reading the photos in the old days used magnifing glasses to ID the small stuff. I have no rebutal for criteria #3, this photo is not unique to the internet but it is certainly well recognized. As for criteria #7, this photo is the best illistration of the underlying cause of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Most of the written material for the Cuban Missile Crisis include this particular photo or others like it becuase the overhead photos illistrated the sites in question. TomStar8116:53, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
overhead photographs from this era were black and white and of meduim quality at best - Yes, which is why it doesn't meet some of the criteria, IMO. I have nothing against the image per se; it is very interesting. I just don't think it represents the best of what Wikipedia has to offer, according to the guidelines. Obviously others disagree with me, and that's fine. -- moondigger00:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the enormous historical significance overshadows any technical aspects. I've seen other versions, but this is the highest magnification I've seen so far. --Janke | Talk19:05, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support IF the photograph is worked into an article on the Cuban Missile Crisis, and the caption explains the importance of the photograph. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-07 06:46
Support. Frankly, I am astonished to see people discussing the quality of one of the most important U-2 spy plane images ever taken under incredible difficult conditions. The historical importance of this image is so immense that it should be selected if it were 10 times crappier. The Cuban Missile Crisis is the closest the world ever came to a nuclear war! But maybe we should just vote for the 156th bug/spider macro, hurricane picture or Haeckel drawing, because they look so cool. [Sorry for the rant] Janderk07:46, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This particular scan looks like it is from a half-toned source, such as a textbook or magazine or so forth. It would be really nice if we could find one that didn't have the characteristic texture to it. (No, I don't think it is an artifact of the photography of the age or the circumstances; the text itself ought to be fairly crisp, and it isn't). --Fastfission13:28, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral Everyone seems to be voting for this image on the basis of historical significance, but no one has stated what that historical significance was. This picture was taken after the crisis was over and the sites were being dismantled, so it's not illustrating any of the peak critical moments of the crisis. What's the source of this historical significance that everyone is claiming for the image? You've stated that it was infamous but I can't see why; it wasn't a trigger for the crisis, only one of the many pictures taken to verify its resolution. Night Gyr14:33, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
True, but for some reason this particular photo has become the symbol of the Cuban missile crisis, to the point where most books and films use this particular image to illistrate the crisis. I am not sure why it, but every crisis seems to have its one defining picture and most people accept this partucular picture as the defining moment in the Cuban Missile Crisis, to the point where it has sometimes been incorrectly cited as taken during the conflict. TomStar8118:54, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Suggest making note of this fact in the article, and adding a comment to the image info indicating when it was taken. -- moondigger00:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This photo is a magnificent photo of the Wedge tailed Eagle and illustrates the article well. It also appears to be high resolution and is more than big enough to fit the size guidelines.
Oppose. It's cropped too tightly on the top and left, though I could overlook that if the beak wasn't totally blown out. Is this your image? If so, was it taken in RAW format? With the original RAW image, detail could probably be drawn out of the beak with careful processing. As things stand now it's a nearly featureless white blob. -- moondigger01:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The good news first; I like this picture. Maybe it's because birds of prey are totally freakin sweet, or maybe it something else I can't quite put my finger on. However, the bad news is I agree with moondigger, on the cropping issues and with the beak thing. --Mad Max04:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose stunning photo of my favourite bird let down by overexposed beak and poor framing - perhaps cropped just over the "shoulder" would be better? The bit of wing trailing out of shot is just...bleargh. Stevage13:41, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Beautiful picture, but what does it add to the article? The ideal illustration for the article Wedge tailed Eagle is a beautiful picture showing what the eagle looks like, and that simply must include the primary characteristic: the wedge-shaped tail. The head only offers very minimal help in identifying the object. It's got beauty, but it's not informative enough for a FP. Jens Nielsen09:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Giant Squid, about 7 meters long, encased in ice, in the Melbourne Aquarium
Although there are some obvious flaws in the clarity of the image, they were unavoidable since the object is frozen in a 3.5 tonne block of ice. The 250kg squid was caught off the coast of New Zealand is approx 7 m long. The photo was taken in the Melbourne Aquarium, who purchased the squid at the cost of more than $100,000. Pretty amazing subject, which adds significantly to the article.
Strong oppose I've seen the picture on your userpage, and it never did sit right with me. For one this, the whole thing is unclear. Can't be helped I know, but it's still not very appealing to my eyes. The other problem is that the sense of scale is non-existant. I never would have thought that it was a gaint squid if you had not have said so. It looks more like it's only a foot long. Sorry Fir0002, but far from your best work IMO. --SeizureDog11:06, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - despite obvious difficulties in taking picture, this is the best possible picture to illustrate the giant squid article. It clearly shows the giant eye and tentacles, and illustrates the relative size of the various parts of the body. Warofdreamstalk11:55, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's probably the best image of a Giant Squid. But just because it's the best illustration of the subject, doesn't mean that it's FP quality. --Pharaoh Hound12:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, I've seen this squid at Melbourne Aquarium, and this is an excellent picture of a difficult subject. Something to give a sense of scale would be good though. —Pengo13:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I like the pic, but it's not especially encyclopaedic due to the scale problems. I really can't tell how big this thing is - looks ~2-3 foot long maybe? But for 250kg I must be way off. Also the colours caused presumably by the lighting in the museum are pretty, but a little distracting and inappropriate. Stevage13:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose, in agreement with SeizureDog's comments. This is another image that requires information not present in the image itself to render it impressive. It's just a strange, medium-to-low quality image of a squid at first glance. It's only after you read the text and find out why it looks strange (in a block of ice) and the fact that it's 7 meters long that it seems at all impressive. I guess I'm hung up on the idea that a featured picture should be impressive on its own and not require article text to 'make' it impressive. -- moondigger15:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Many Wikipedia FP's require captions to explain what you're seeing; they wouldn't have become FPs unless people were told what was special about their content. That's fine, of course, since this is Wikipedia and not Commons. Here, images are invariably tied to articles. If you would like to judge images solely on their aesthetic appeal, Commons has an FPC process as well. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-08 04:25
Many Wikipedia FP's require captions to explain what you're seeing; they wouldn't have become FPs unless people were told what was special about their content. That doesn't appear to be true based on looking through Wikipedia:Featured_pictures_visible, where the majority of the images are arresting at first sight, even if I don't know exactly what they depict at first. This particular image is undoubtedly useful to the article it adorns, but I think it lacks a visual punch that a featured picture should have. However even if we ignore these particular concerns, I still agree with SeizureDog about the lack of clarity (due to the ice) and the absence of a visual clue as to its scale. -- moondigger22:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here are a few quick examples. You've already said you wouldn't support the only known photo of Chopin, no matter how important, simply for the lack of aesthetic appeal (which was true for all photos back then). I'd suggest going to Commons FPC, where your stricter criteria would be more at home. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-10 04:37
Brian, let's pretend I never said anything in the strikethrough text. I know it really bothers you to think I would use criteria to judge an image that you don't agree with. What's left after we ignore the stuff you're objecting to is still an "oppose." -- moondigger12:59, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, no more gross than that conic eye pic we have on FA a few days ago. I like it, impressive. Sadly does not show the scale though. --Golbez18:00, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. After reading the caption I know the squid is in ice, at first I thought it was swimming in snot. It's pretty disgusting, and the picture is very blurry. --Mad Max20:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The caption now makes it clear how big it is, and that it is encased in ice. The image is definitely striking/shocking, and will pull in readers. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-08 04:18
Don't understand this comment - can't someone just go back there (the Melbourne Aquarium is minutes by foot from Flinders St Station) and take a "better" shot with some foreground elements to show the scale? Sure, giant squids are hard to photograph, but this one isn't going anywhere. Stevage08:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It would be easier to simply add a scale in Photoshop, like other featured pictures, such as this. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-10 14:20
Agree about adding a scale. Most 'foreground elements' would mess up the picture. What do you want, some smiling relative of fir in front of it? -Ravedave17:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - just because taking a good photo of a giant squid is very difficult to do, doesn't mean that this one should be a FP. We're gonna have to be patient until a better one comes along. Agree with SeizureDog and Pharaoh Hound. --P19900:05, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Striking and interesting picture. It's a prime example of what pixels can look like when placed near each other. +Hexagon1(t)12:50, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Mainly because this picture gives no idea of size (and a very little because I dont like squid, its nice to have FPs that actually look attractive even if that isnt a specific requirement.) -Aled D13:08, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I think that a great deal of the people who visit the main page would be sort of creeped out if they were faced with a picture of a (frozen) dead animal, no matter how rare (or giant). Unless you can prove that it is alive (that's even more scary), then I oppose, it would be too weird/wierd/weered/(don't insult my spelling) to have as a featured picture. If i went to a site that everyone had been talking about, and found THAT(!) then i'd probably not come back. Just to clarify, I OPPOSE (but not too strongly, i'd hate to be a POV pusher). Maybe if you go to the aquarium and stick a ruler next to it, you'd get more support. MichaelBillington00:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)\[reply]
Not all Featured Pictures need to be on the main page... — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-14 20:14
Oppose It's an interesting picture, but it's not clear. Anyway, the ideal illustration of such a squid would be a beautiful picture with it in its natural environment, and this picture is neither. Jens Nielsen09:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Too small, poor quality (not its fault), unencyclopedic, unclear subject, poor composition (not its fault), not a photo but a photo of a drawing. Sorry. Wittylama12:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really get what the big deal is about size around here. What's the point of having images that are too large to fit on the screen? Anyways, this will probably get killed by quality buffs, but I still love it for its artistic merit. And how can you seriously say it's unencyclopedic? Anything else I can kinda understand but it is certainly ecyclopedic.--SeizureDog19:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
THough I oppose, I would sugggest that if want a picture featured based on its artistic merit or anything like that you should look to the commonssay198804:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I took this in Lower Antelope Canyon while hiking through. It was briefly a part of the Antelope Canyon article, but has been edited out as there were too many photos in there, making it look like a photography gallery rather than an encyclopedia article. I added it to the article Red, and I think it enhances that article, demonstrating various reddish hues. Note: Janke added it to the sandstone article, and it works very well there.
Support. A beautiful image, showing both the colors and the shapes. I added it to the sandstone article. Note: Some of us have had a discussion with moondigger about the size of his GFDL images. Bigger is better, of course, but this image does fullfill the criteria in Wikipedia:What is a featured picture?, so please don't oppose only because of the size. --Janke | Talk05:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Janke, I have replaced all of my 1000x667 images with 1231x821 images, increasing overall size/resolution by 50%. Size shouldn't be a concern any longer. -- moondigger12:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Antelope Canyon is a beautiful subject indeed. Most of the pictures taken there are visually very pleasing. So is this one. I have seen much better pictures of this subject at more interesting angles and less ordinary lighting. This picture is nothing special at all. Mikeo05:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yes, I've seen other great pictures of this subject (in National Geographic, for instance), but can you point to any GFDL ones here on Wiki? --Janke | Talk11:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I think Mikeo and Zambaccian are thinking of Upper Antelope Canyon. I have taken many of the more stereotypical shots in Upper Antelope Canyon, with beams coming down from the top, but that's not what's depicted here. You can't take shots like that in Lower, as it has a completely different character and 'beams' are almost non-existent. This is one of only three shots from Lower Antelope Canyon available on Wikipedia or Wiki Commons. In fact, until I updated the Antelope Canyon article here, one might not have known there even was a different slot canyon called Lower Antelope Canyon, with a different character than Upper. They're not the same place. -- moondigger12:24, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know... I kinda like this one better. I actually like its abstract nature. However the one you mention was taken in Upper, though it's not a stereotypical Upper shot with a beam of light streaming down from above and striking the sand, so I don't know how well it would go over as a featured picture candidate. -- moondigger13:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You know, this might not be the place for it, but I just wanted to comment on the stereotypical Upper Antelope picture, with a shaft of light streaming down from above and striking the ground. Almost every one of those photos (or the scenes they depict) is manipulated, and doesn't accurately depict a natural scene. You can't actually see a beam of light from the side naturally. The not-so-big secret is that somebody (usually one of the guides) scoops up sand and throws it in the air in the vicinity of the light beams, then runs out of the shot while photographers snap away. The sand and dust in the air renders the light beam visible from the side.
Now I'm not saying that many of these images aren't striking. They are. But my philosophy is to take pictures of natural scenes in their natural state, so it's not the kind of image I'm going to contribute, especially when there are already several available on Wikipedia and Commons. -- moondigger14:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I don't know if you were in a rush when you took the photo, but maybe if you had stuck around a little more you could have got a better picture with more interesting lighting and angle. --Life is like a box of chocolates19:39, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I did not rush through. I took hundreds of pictures that day, and this one (amongst others) appeals to me a great deal. I wouldn't have nominated it if it didn't. On two photographer's forums it garnered almost universal praise, though I suspect what they're looking for in an image and what Wikipedians are looking for in an image differ. (FWIW, most of them were getting sick of seeing the same typical sunbeam-style Upper Antelope Canyon images over and over.) -- moondigger20:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would *hope* we're looking for different things :) We're an encyclopaedia after all. Hard to say what this is illustrating - you say it's "lower antelope canyon"...well, if you say so. As you say, it's sort of abstract, which is the exact opposite of encyclopaedic :) So, "nice image, what are we supposed to do with it?" Stevage20:33, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
To be clear: this is one small part of Lower Antelope Canyon, about 2/3 of the way through the length. Because Lower Antelope is a slot canyon, it is very narrow. (In parts you can touch both sides with your outstretched arms, and it's even narrower when you pass through the opening in this photo - I had to turn sideways to fit through carrying a camera backpack and tripod. If you view the image at full resolution, you can see tread marks in the sand at lower left from sneakers of people passing through.) It took me about three hours to get through the whole thing, stopping frequently along the way to set up the tripod and take photos. The next time I return, I will plan on spending more time inside -- maybe 4 or 5 hours if they don't kick me out.
As for encyclopedic value, I think Janke's idea to put it in the sandstone article was an excellent one. The layering and color of the stone (visible in thumbnail, much more prominent at full resolution) are typical of the sandstone in the southwestern U.S., which is mentioned in the article. -- moondigger21:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Promoted Image:Lower_antelope_2_md.jpg (Note: Ignoring vote by the user who has only contributed on FPC.) Depending on how 'weak' votes are counted, this is either +14/-3 or +15/-4. If it were a closer vote I wouldn't promote my own image, but in this case I don't think it will be a problem, per the advice I got on the FPC talk page. -- moondigger01:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A complete guide to the names of all the fielding positions in the game of Cricket.Edit1 by Stevage to correct minor problems as listed below.
The names of cricket fielding positions are fantastically complicated, and I'd never come close to understanding them until I came across this. It's clear, it's ingenious (a red dot for the basic position, and yellow dots for variations), and it's actually pretty to look at. I can't vouch for its accuracy (the terms "long hit", "long stop" and "long leg" are new to me). Other than that it's just brilliant. Update: I should point out that it's used at fielding (cricket) and adds a lot of value to that article.
Comment Can it be made bigger? When I click on the bigger pic I don't get a really big pic, I get a File Download menu. If I then select "Open" my computer says it doesn't know what SVG is (in Windows XP) and won't open it. In any case I don't suppose the downloaded pic would have been any larger than the last - Adrian Pingstone08:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's an SVG - a vector graphic, which is perfect for diagrams - you can make it as large as you like. I don't know what freely available tools exist to edit with, but I can assure you its size is not an issue - in Firefox it expands to two screenwidths for me (and you don't lose detail by expanding further). I do notice the odd typo though, so if someone could edit it, it would be great (in particular "Closer" should be "closer" for case consistency in the legend). Stevage08:42, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I know it's not rubbish. This [7] mostly confirms it, but differs somewhat on "short leg" (but that looks like a mistake to me - would be forward square leg maybe). Also it calls "sweeper cover" "cover sweeper" and moves it backward.
This [8] mostly confirms it, but I now realise our image is missing short mid-wicket. Theirs is very generous on the "silly" positions (chickens), but they also interpret "short leg" as being forward of the crease, and "square short leg" as being level with the crease (ours has neither "square short leg" nor "forward short leg" (on the other hand, we have "backward short leg" which they're missing). Their "deep fine leg" is also a bit different. Still no sign of "long stop" or "straight hit". Stevage19:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[9] confirms "long stop", but adds the position of "long leg". I'm wondering whether there is another division "leg" between "fine leg" and "square leg" (would make sense for our "backward short leg"). "Square fine leg" sounds suspicious to me - that should possibly be "long leg"? Stevage19:05, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
[10] confirms long stop. [11] sort of confirms "straight hit". I see we do actually have "long leg" after all (but it's not in the dangermouse dico). So all in all, seems pretty good, just missing silly mid wicket and there seems to be some confusion about the fine leg area (not surprising, people aren't often positioned there, and it's usually in position to something creative like a someone sweeping a lot or something. I do notice that the "sweeper" position should probably be drawn as an arc, as according to dangermouse it cuts across several boundaries. We could also possibly have one or two colloquial positions like "cow corner" (according to DM it's virtually the same as backward square leg). But these are quibbles. Stevage19:19, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I'm glad to see that Ravedave has conditionally supported only upon info being verified - caution is important with a diagram like this. Agree with Stevage that diagram does seem essentially correct. Also like Stevage have a few problems with wording and layout (e.g., I would usually think 'wicket keeper' was 'wicketkeeper' or 'wicket-keeper'; the inconsistent labelling of slips (1s, 2s, 3, 4, etc); the relative placement of bowler, wicketkeeper and slips; the runner appears to be permanent place for the batting team; and why are measurements given in yards?). Anyway, some of these may be quibbles. Ultimately the diagram is probably useful for someone that already knows a fair bit about cricket, but of limited use and rather confusing to those that don't. --jjron09:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, these changes should be made:
Closer in -> nearer the batsman
very close in -> very near the batsman
toward 90 deg to the pitch -> level with batsman's popping crease
Mid on, mid off -> Mid-on, Mid-off (there's absolutely no consensus anywhere - midwicket, mid-wicket, and mid wicket all seem equally used, but at least we can be consistent within the diagram, hyphenating everywhere)
Brackets around runner: (R*)
Add short mid-wicket: "Short" positioned between mid-wicket and silly mid-on.
Get rid of circles around batsman and non-striker (they're not described in the legend, don't seem to mean much?)
cover sweeper -> sweeper cover (more frequent on google)
Support. I love reading about cricket because it even though it's in English, it makes no sense whatsoever. Chickens? Cow corners? Googlies? Heehee. howcheng {chat}22:24, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Chicken - just using in the normal sense, some one who is afraid to risk injury in the name of sport :) Cow corner - a pejorative term. Googly - a real term, just a delivery that turns the opposite way to usual. Stevage23:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - too detailed to be seen clearly without enlarging it by clicking on the picture. IE: it would look bad on the main page - you cant read the text without clicking on the picture. Not a huge deal, but being on the main page is a big part of being a featured picture. -zappa.jake (talk) 20:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In the case of featured articles, it is possible for an article to be promoted but with the caveat that it's not suitable for the main page. For example, X Window core protocol is a great article but too technical for a general audience. It's fine to do the same thing for FPs. Redquark22:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Very nice diagram, though ever so slightly busy. This version is definetly FP worthy, but maybe try bolding the traditional position locations to make them clearer from the variations? Staxringoldtalkcontribs01:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea, but what's "traditional"? I think the red dots are meant to indicate "primary" positions (eg, cover vs deep cover, point rather than silly point). However, some of them (long stop and straight hit in particular) are almost unheard of in the modern game. On the other hand, mid-off should technically be a variation on long off (or perhaps the other way around). It would be weird and misleading to bold terms like long stop...on the other hand, it's quite subjective deciding which ones to bold (should slips and gully be bolded?) Ok, I've had a stab and uploaded over my previous edit. In the end I bolded the most important positions, and made a couple of other tweaks, explained in the image history. Stevage07:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
SupportVery good, although one slight problem, with relation to the position of the Runner on the diagram. I'm a Qualified Cricket Umpire and the correct procedure with a runner is to place the On side (i.e. at Square Leg) and for the umpire to move to point. It would be easiest to remove the runner completely from the diagram, as otherwise this will make it look messy. Just to then add, when the Injured Striker is off strik, the umpire and he should move to Square Leg. --Wisden1718:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Shrubs form the word "Sentosa", greeting visitors who head towards the island's Visitor Centre.
This picture was photographed by me and it appears in Sentosa, the article. The words are displayed very clearly and not too bright, either. The palms that "flank" the shrubs give a "panoramic" impression.
Oppose Not sharp enough, distracting shadow in foreground (a croup would go a long way), and distracting shadow over the S. What's it a photo *of* anyway? If it's the SENTOSA plants, then it's too far away. If it's the whole entry to the visitor's centre, then it's just not interesting enough - fairly bland flowers, not enough to look at. Stevage11:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A crowd is entertained by a performer in front of Covent Garden, LondonEditEdit02
This is a segmented panorama stiched from around 10 images vertically. I like it for a number of reasons. I was really quite happy with the stiching, as there are (as far as I can tell) no stitching faults or even duplication or movement of people between frames, the perspective is interesting, showing the performer in the context of the crowd and the Covent Garden markets. I know that some people may not like the curved (cylindrical) perspective, but this panorama has an angle of view of approximately 160 degrees and is therefore unfortunately difficult to avoid.
Weak oppose Technically brilliant, as all Diliff panoramas, but somehow this doesn't get that "ooh-aah" effect your other shots produce... --Janke | Talk12:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fair comment. :) I know its a 'messy' panorama and not a particularly beautiful scene, but I did like the way there was something interesting happening all the way across the frame. For interest's sake, here is an image of the interior of Covent Garden looking towards the courtyard in the panorama. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)12:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment sort of agree with Janke, it's a great, clear shot (and nfi how you avoid stitching errors or clones!) and intertesting in the detail - but the shot at any reasonable resolution isn't that remarkable, and the late evening London sun is a bit of a shame. Could you not cheat and brighten it up a bit? Would make a good wall poster in any case. :) Stevage13:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually I did just notice one stitch error and one clone.. They're very sneakily hidden. It would be pretty difficult to describe to you which person it is, though. ;) You are right - it doesn't display well as a thumbnail or even anything downsampled enough to fit on the screen, but the detail is there. I don't think its particularly dark though. It could be brightened but it would probably only look a bit washed out. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)13:43, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This one is very impressive when viewed at full resolution, but at a size that fits on most monitors it seems mundane and dark. Panos that impress even at reduced size tend to be those of a more dramatic subject. Maybe a single shot showing the performer in focus in the foreground and a subset of the crowd slightly OOF in the background, reacting to the performance, would work better. Or, the same kind of thing with the performer slightly OOF and audience members in focus, if their reactions were particularly animated. -- moondigger14:30, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support I like this super picture more every time I look at it, and like most panoramas it is best appreciated at full size. The flat London (evening?) light lets the thumbnail down a little, but the technical virtuosity is astounding and I've never seen so many Londoners smiling at once :-) Diliff, you have created a rod for your own back. Can anyone imagine this picture getting even a single oppose vote as recently as a year ago? ~ Veledan • Talk22:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm glad you see this image the way I see it. I think that different pictures need slightly different criteria to be judged against. The scene isn't intrinsically pretty, the lighting isn't that great (of course it is gray and drab - this is London! ;) ), and isn't simple enough to look good in a thumbnail, but if you were to look at this image in the context of its strengths, you'd see it as a number of interesting subjects (the markets themselves, the people, and the entertainer )coming together to form a difficult composition. What I'm trying to say is that not all FPs are naturally beautiful, or historically meaningful, or whatever, and we should see the image for what it is, not what it isn't. If that isn't enough for a support, thats fine, but it seems like others were using the wrong criteria for an image of this type. :) Ah well, in the end, an image doesn't have to be a FP to be useful anyway! Its easy to forget that an image isn't hung, drawn and quartered for failing FPC. It still contributes to the article regardless of its success. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)09:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm, I see FPs according to this formula: pretty + encyclopaedic = FP. This image, which I like a lot, isn't particularly pretty, and it's not hugely encyclopaedic - it adds something to the Covent Garden article, but looking at the image doesn't tell you "what is Covent Garden"? Which of the three big buildings in the mid-ground is part of Covent Garden? Is the square with the people part of it? It would probably illustrate something like street performing better. And it's nice, and very well executed, but not *pretty* - even in London, the sun occasionally shines. Don't take it badly ;) Stevage14:44, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the formula in general, but there are occasional exceptions. As for it not 'defining' Covent Garden visually, its pretty difficult for any one image to do that. Covent Garden is technically just a location that happens to have a market in the middle, not a specific building. I totally understand that sometimes a subject is just too difficult to portray in a FP-worthy way and I can accept that. I'm not taking it that badly - I just enjoy the banter. ;) Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)11:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Agree with the above. Nice seen but the lighting is pretty ordinary. I've uploaded some edits, but I still don't think they are that good. --Fir000200:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support second edit. The lighting, as mentioned before, is mediocre, however, the subject is interesting and so is the festive atmosphere. Congrats on becoming an FP photo! Garrett Rock
I think it's an interesting scene, but the composition suffers from the panorama method. It devotes as much space to photographing all the stones of the square as it does to the people watching, and it only looks good if you view portions of it at full resolution. I think if you used just one of the original pictures, or cropped the panorama, you could have a tighter focus and an excellent picture of a street performance. Night Gyr21:12, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sorry, but this is just a typical tourist snapshot (I have a similar one myself). It's not very encyclopedic, since it doesn't show the whole dam structure. --Janke | Talk 2006-06-08 19:13:30 (UTC)
Oppose As above, I have been there, it's really much more incredible than any photo I have ever seen, especially this one --Ccosta06:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I think a similar image would have potential, but the points of interest you mention (skyline, cathedral, Kremlin) are a bit lost in the haze, while the street and cars in the foreground are much clearer, despite being (relatively) unimportant to the image. The sky is interesting. Maybe another exposure on a day with less haze would work better -- possibly a pano that leaves out most of the highway in the foreground. Also, what was modified in the second version? -- moondigger23:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I don't know if there's a guideline, but I would suggest that a given picture should only be elligible for being candidate for FP every six months. Now, this isn't quite six months, but since this isn't policy and just my gut feeling, it should probably stay. --Dante Alighieri | Talk08:09, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Agree with moondigger about haze, etc. Also sky at top right is blown right out which is a bit of a concern. Nice suggestion by Dante Alighieri that there should be a time delay on renominations. --jjron09:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral I could almost support it, but the composition is just...not there. Sort of a "yeah, but no" image - it has nice elements (the kremlin, the clouds, the sunset, the river), but the overall effect just isn't that great - there's no focal point, the bright sky detracts from the kremlin, the road is too prominent. Sort of the problem of trying to get too much into an image - you end up with nothing at all. Stevage09:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. I like the "vanilla sky" look, however, as other users have pointed out the sky is much too strong for the rest of the photo which looks too dark; this could probably made less evident with some editing however. I also don't mind the blown out sky that much since sometimes it's just impossible to avoid, but the photo isn't very focused among other things. I ultimately agree with Stevage on this one, the photo has some good elements but just barely misses the mark. --Mad Max04:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
NeutralThe Moskva sky is awesome, but the image just isn't sharp enough and the cars are too prominent. Perhaps editing to sharpen and perhaps crop to remove some of the road.--Dakota~17:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. It's a nice shot of Moscow and would probably work during the afternoon, but it was simply taken at the wrong time of day. The sky may add a nice effect, but it's too distracting from the main subject, which is Moscow. The shadow on the buildings also removes a lot of the purpose of the image. It's almost there....just take it 6 hours earlier:P bob rulz02:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hibiscus syriacus "Blushing Bride" varietyEdit by Amina skywalker
Hibiscus syriacus, "Blushing Bride" variety, which appears on the Hibiscus syriacus page. I took this photo last summer (2005) while on holiday in Texas. It may require some cropping or other adjustments, but it is provided here in the full-size JPG image as produced by my camera. It may be that the more distant blossom being cut-off will disqualify the photo, but the fact that it is outside the zone of focus may mitigate the defect.
Unfortunately, the blossom had already begun to "fade" for the day when I took this, but I think it is, nevertheless, a beautiful shot of a popular variety of Hibiscus--even if it does not qualify as a featured picture. Before submitting, I searched long and hard for any other "good" photo of this variety of Hibiscus and found none. It is amazing how poor the photography is on most horticulture sites.
Oppose. Not very sharp, flower past its prime. (PS: Keep non-panoramas to the right and smaller, please. I moved it.) --Janke | Talk05:42, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Sorry, I don't think cropping will turn this into an FP. Nice flower, but I think you've probably identified the flaws in the nom. --jjron09:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The framing and focus/DOF are the biggest issues, I think. If you have access to another Hibiscus syriacus, give it another try. -- moondigger13:49, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Very impressive, Skywalker. The force is strong with you. :) Still not enough to merit support, IMO, but a big improvement in framing and a reasonable improvement in brightness/color balance. Focus/DOF are still issues. Nice photoshopping, though. -- moondigger20:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Thanks. :) Personally, I think the unfocused blossom is a bit distracting in both the original and my edit, but cutting it out might be a little too drastic. I agree that another shot of the same plant would be good. «amiИa . skyшalkeя(¿Hábleme?)22:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The depth of focus here is my main concern, but the background is also sort of dull among other things. --Mad Max04:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. As an art image, it's striking, with two main colors (the sculpture and sky) playing off one another. However, I'm not sure how well this works if the image is intended to be used to document the sculpture in an article. In that case, it probably shouldn't be framed in such a way that it cuts it off on the left, right and bottom. More generally, it appears you have some contrast loss in the lower left due to lens flare. -- moondigger13:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Nice colours and a skilled shot but more appropriate for Commons than here. Encyclopedias will always want the subject in full. ~ Veledan • Talk21:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I find that an image like this is rare to find, especially of this plant breed. Many people do not focus on how beautiful the Camellia plant species can be. Camellia japonica is also used in some Japaneseteas which are rarely found in the US.
It appears in the Camellia article, Fir0002 created it.
Oppose blown & leaking background highlights, sun, slightly unsharp even at this res. I hate opposing pics taken by Fir because I feel like a right cur considering the outstanding contribution he's making to FP but he does seem to suffer more than his share of pics that he didn't choose to nominate himself getting rejected at FPC. ~ Veledan • Talk22:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not sure this is featured picture quality, but the topic is rather important and I think deserves an FP. If you don't support it, please try to give me hints on how to make a better one :-)
Comment regarding the "rainbow pattern": There have been some questions regarding coloring. The rainbow coloring of the two backbones is not arbitrary. In general usage, the 5' end of nucleic acids is colored blue, while the 3' end is colored red, and the intermediate sections vary in a rainbow-like fashion. I didn't make this up, folks ;-) mstroeck20:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Response regarding rainbow pattern I've consulted five different university-level molecular biology textbooks, and none use the rainbow pattern in representations of the DNA helix. Though I did not look very hard, I found no different colors for 5' ends vs. 3' ends either (in any case, 5' and 3' coloring could be used only to illustrate direction of strand and would not be suitable in a cyclic pattern like this). In the textbooks, the two strands are given different colors, so they are easily distinguished. Shading of the helix is used to represent twisting state, with same shades at every 360 degree turn of a strand. I agree that such shading makes much more sense than rainbow shading. (see my vote 'oppose' below) Jens Nielsen09:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Superb and clear, my only gripe being the lack of info in the caption/image page. Currently, this image is used in an astounding 348 articles in the en wiki, not counting project & talk pages. Pretty useful by anyone's standards :-) ~ Veledan • Talk11:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC) Bah, it's the genetics stub template of course ~ Veledan • Talk[reply]
Weak support. The colors of the nucleotide components seem to be keyed to type. That makes sense. However the helix frame has rainbow shading that looks nice but doesn't seem to correspond to anything. I'd suggest that the helix frame should be grey for better educational value. Also, maybe the nucleotides could be more clearly delineated by color, along with a legend showing which is adenine, guanine, cytocine and thymine. I would change my vote to "support" or "strong support" if that were done. Otherwise, this is useful for showing the double helix structure and scale, but not much beyond that. -- moondigger14:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, it's called "DNA Overview.jpg" for a reason ;-) I understand your concerns, though. I am planning a much more detailed second version of this, but I would like to keep this more or less as it is - as a general overview. Regarding coloring, see the note I added above. mstroeck20:20, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I've compared the image with those in my molecular biology textbooks, and I tend to agree with moondigger. The rainbow shading is not very helpful. One backbone strand red and the other blue would be helpful, as it would aid keeping track on each strand. Shading would be ok, but then it should illustrate the 'twisting state' of the strand, and it would have to have same shading for every 360 degree turn. Present picture does the opposite, obscuring rather than clarifying the repeating pattern of the DNA helix. As for the color of the nucleotides, I'd prefer coloring purines in one color, pyrimidines in another. A legend would also be appreciated, as others have argued. Finally, I think this kind of 'stick' DNA representation is somewhat out of fashing in favour of the space filling DNA representations you see in most molecular biology books. In short, it's not a state of the art DNA representation, and not enough for FP. That being said, it is a nice piece of work and I applaud you for the efforts.Jens Nielsen09:40, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I'd like to change this Oppose to Support, and will do so as soon as a legend keying the base pairs to colors is added. The rainbow shading of the helix doesn't bother me as much. --Dante Alighieri | Talk17:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - I agree a key of the colours of the bases would be nice, but this is certainly a FP without it. Scott17:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Change to support with a legend and explanation why the helix is rainbow. Can anyone verify that diagram is scientifically correct? -Ravedave19:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for going off-topic, but Mr. Lefty, that thing on your user-page must be one of the funniest things I've seen on Wikipedia :-) mstroeck20:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Janke! Do you mean a legend in the picture, or on its page? I'm currently trying to track down the data file I used to make this image. When I have found it, I will add a complete description of the chemical structure to the page. mstroeck07:06, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose. I want to support this, but it contains too many errors, at least compared to every other picture/model/description of DNA I’ve ever seen, and that’s lots. Given the number of supports it’s already got however, I am giving it a strong oppose, and am going to be a bit harsh (my apologies in advance, but I really think these diagrams have to be very accurate).
As mentioned several times already, there’s no key/legend – it’s therefore really just a pretty-coloured picture. Perhaps a good start would be the elements, since you’ve gone to the effort of colour coding them (I think). As I see it, blue = nitrogen, green = hydrogen, red = oxygen, purple = phosphorous – am I correct? And, BTW, if that is correct, where’s carbon? I just can’t see that at all. Also not sure how you would then code the molecules, e.g., the bases, though perhaps they would need to be labelled individually.
Why do those purple/red molecules penetrate the helix ‘backbones’? Are they the deoxyribose sugars, or the phosphate groups perhaps, which would give them some reason for being there? I don’t know, because there’s no key! I’m actually assuming they’re the phosphate groups, but if so, they should be bonding in some regular way with the sugars to the form the helices. These don’t all appear to be bonding, although looking very closely most do bond, so it could just be ‘our’ perspective that’s the problem. What is actually bonding with what is also an issue (especially with that missing carbon). Now if the molecules are what I think, the ‘backbone’ shouldn’t then IMO be shown as those solid bands, as it’s the phosphate/sugars that form the backbone – if you want the bands there perhaps they could be semitransparent, as they do help with visualising the thing.
Why are there such huge gaps between some of the base pairs? Some appear to be touching, others you could drive a truck between. Again, is it just our perspective causing the variation? Regardless, I think the hydrogen bonds should be illustrated in some way to show that the base pairs are actually bonded (and how), even if there is a gap between the actual molecules.
You do know what a 3D representation is, right? There aren't different sizes in the gaps; you're just seeing different angles... — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-13 22:52
I’m not convinced that there’s always a purine and a pyrimidine base bonding. Again though, without the key or labelling, it’s hard to tell for sure.
Again it may just be perspective problems, but I swear some of those nitrogenous bases, or at least the sugars, are looping around the outside of the shown helix bands.
The horizontal and vertical scales are inconsistent. If you use the horizontal scale, the vertical height is only just over 3nm, not the 3.4nm it says it is. Is it legitimate to use two different scales in one diagram? IMO it’s not.
I really do like this, and think it has great potential, and apologise for being so harsh because it looks like it would have been a lot of work (and look, some of my assumptions and criticisms may be wrong). But the accuracy of something like this is pretty important. I’m sure I’ve seen it suggested before that maybe there should be a separate page for evaluation of this type of picture as opposed to the usual photos. That may be right, because too many people seem to support these diagrams just because they look pretty, with no regard for their accuracy (the cricket picture a couple of days ago was the same thing). Perhaps some of the criteria for judging these are different. I’ll wait with anticipation for your improved version. Maybe I’m being too picky given that you have said it’s just ‘an overview’, however I don’t think it’s a FP – not yet. --jjron08:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, jiron, for offering your comments. Since I am not a biochemist, I cannot know what is right or wrong. However, if everything can be sorted out, and mstoeck can fix any actual errors, I'll change my vote back to full support. --Janke | Talk09:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose Not the best illustration of DNA I have ever seen, and where the heck is the legend? I'd support placing the legend within the picture, rather than outside as a user suggested above (changing the color of a few boxes isn't difficult at all). Whether anyone likes it or not, people will use Wikipedia's pictures and anyone who sees this outside of Wikipedia is going to feel just as lost as I do right now. For example, a while back I created a map showing the global distribution of snakebite morbidity, (just noticed how bad the colors are). If I had not included the legend within the image anyone who saw this outside of Wikipedia would have no idea what was being shown. Not to mention most diagrams have the legend within the picture anyway; its the standard on these things. Anyway, I ultimately agree Janke on this one. --Mad Max21:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
When the legend is within the picture, it is (a) either unreadable without enlarging the picture, or entirely too large when the picture is enlarged, and (b) very hard to edit and translate (i.e. change the text, not just the colour). Zocky | picture popups15:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This diagram has a few problems imo.
I notice colors of atoms are different from, for instance, the other drawing in DNA. Is there a standard for atom colors? Probably there can be variations, but it seems to me that green carbons are very unusual. You can also have a look at the Commons category for molecules for more drawings. How can we feature a drawing that detracts so much from conventions?
As Jiron said, it is strange that sometimes the atom bindings cross the helix bands and sometimes not. Also, the whole molecule seems to be leaning on the right toward the top, why? It would be good to have the original molecular data to help understand (a PDB file perhaps?).
I am going to be a bit picky, but the colors in the helix bands are not continuous and the bindings between sections are not clean.
For information, what exactly has been done in Photoshop and what in iMol? Looking at iMol's web page, it seems it can make similar images by itself.
Apart from that, I can see strengths in this drawing: atoms are of a good size, and the black borders help distinguish them. --Bernard19:49, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose I would * love* to see this go through, but there are too many problems at this point and still no legend. Lets have another go at this pic when it has been cleaned up and the controvercy cleared up. I would suggest the discussion page on this would be a good place to discuss after it is closed. -Ravedave05:44, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
oppose i don't like the way the ribbon back bone obscures the ball and stick model. It seems to be a bad compromise between a cartoon and a technical drawing. David D.(Talk)05:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Not promoted There are some questions about the accuracy/design philosophy of this diagram. A modified version that addresses at least some of the concerns expressed above would likely be promoted, judging by the comments. The utility of such a diagram is obvious. -- moondigger16:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I think this shot captures the unique structure of an ordinary Daffodil. This photograph was taken during a visit to Longwood Gardens, Pennsylvania. This picture appears in the article: "Daffodils."
Support. What an awesome position to take a picture of such a small flower! A little dark, but what an awesome photograph!!!!!! It looks great. I love the detail! Christine
Comment: You're right, Pharaoh's hound. There should be more peace in this world, like you. Thanks for spreading the love! :) In fact, maybe none of us should criticize each other's work, since none of us are professionals, anyway, and we all have different tastes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cd78 (talk • contribs)
Comment This should be closed, the photo is not going to be promoted and the nominator seems to be using sockpuppets to help boost the pictures support. --Mad Max21:37, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. How do you know? Don't influence other voters please.
I think this is a really neat photograph that captures the size of New York City. This was taken ontop of the Empire State Building. This photograph appears in the article: "New York City."
Oppose - The city is blurry and the picture is dominated by the pigeon. Not illustrative of NYC (unless you're trying to show that the pigeons are taking over). Night Gyr19:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The photo is actually a philosophical statement. It shows New York through the eyes of the pigeon, an often unappreciated bird (because of its so called common nature), one that is also often overlooked because of the busy life of the average American citizen who has not the time to stop to enjoy it and such a glorious view.
Oppose: Hmm, sadly "philosophical statement" is not really compatible with "encyclopaedic". It would be much more interesting at pigeon, but overall it doesn't really show either NYC or the humble pigeon well enough for FP. Stevage08:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Hmm, sadly you don't know how to spell "encyclopedic." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.33.193.152 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 16 June 2006
Comment: Do you really think it's awful? :( — Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.33.193.152 (talk • contribs) 14:12, 16 June 2006
1. Please indent your comments properly. 2. Please sign your comments by typing four tildes (~~~~). 3. Yes, I do think it's really quite a bad photo, even as an artsy shot. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ15:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment from Anonymous: Sure, the sky is way too blown out, it's blurry, and the colors in general are too washed out. A nice idea but not well executed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.128.92.108 (talk • contribs) 15:07, 16 June 2006
Note that I have had to re-nominate this page because the original nominator didn't do it properly (they created a new section on FPC rather than a subpage). Also note that User:67.33.193.152 (a suspected sockpuppet) removed several negative votes, so I have reverted the page. Please continue voting as normal, placing votes above this notice, but remember to check the history. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ15:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment excuse me, Vanderdecken, but i find it offending that you would call me a sockpuppet.I am my own person. I make my own decisions and have my own opinions. I have nothing to do with "Polarking" or whatever the name is.67.33.193.152
You are a suspected sockpuppet, like it or not. If you disagree, you can argue here, not on FPC. And remember to sign all your comments by typing ~~~~ at the end. To other voters: Please place all votes above my notice. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ11:37, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Animation of two stars rotating around each other, with the plane of orbit in line with the viewer, so they eclipse each other. The line at the bottom displays the intensity of light viewed due to the eclipses.
Granted, this is a small image, but I think it does a very good job of illustrating the eclipses of two binary stars and the intensity of light due to that.
Oppose although it's good stuff and I think you should move it to the head of Binary star in preference to the black hole accretion pic that's there right now. I can't see how a larger version would add anything other than file size, but I think losing the ecliptic plane in favour of an angular view which showed how the smaller star moves more than the larger one would be more interesting to the reader who hasn't read the article yet. Having read the article, I see that this image illustrates a specific effect: that binary systems whose ecliptic plane happens to be in our line of sight appear to pulse, but if I had to choose an image to illustrate a binary system for our FP collection I'd still prefer an angular view ~ Veledan • Talk21:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Attractive and informative. Additional resolution wouldn't add anything to this picture, and keep in mind that it's already almost 1mb large at this size and last I heard Mediawiki can't handle making thumbnails of animated gifs. In my opinion an angular view wouldn't work as well and I find it clear from this picture that the small star moves much faster. Redquark22:41, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose mainly because of possible errors in physics: I think the large star should be red, the small blue (is it a white dwarf?), and the large star should move very little. This assuming the large star is more massive. --Janke | Talk22:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the observer isn't stationary :) The amount of motion is definitely off, although it's fine to exaggerate for the purposes of demonstration. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-12 02:24
Nope, it's correct. For stars on the main sequence, the more massive they are, the larger they are, the higher the internal pressure and temperature, and thus the higher the peak emission frequency according to Blackbody laws. Of course, stars in the later stages of their lives after the main sequence can be large and red (red giants) or small and blue (white dwarves), but this image is accurate for the main sequence, which describes the majority of stars. --Cyde↔Weys14:46, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support IF the dimensions are at least twice what they are now. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-12 02:27
Support - nifty little animation explains more than (a huge amount of) words could. I like the smoothness of the animation and the graph below it, showing light/energy output. Good job! We need more of this type of image in Wikipedia!! Madman20:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Good image! There's no need for a larger size, it wouldn't add much more value. I don't like the exagerated movement, especially since the background remains stationary. --Pharaoh Hound00:05, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's a great animation, but it's way too small. It needs to be at least twice as large for me to support. bob rulz01:57, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Would it be possible to slow the animation down just a bit? Other than that, I think it's a great animation and illustrates the concept very well. --Nebular11019:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Orchids hanging in one of Montréal Botanical Garden's greenhouses.Moondigger edit
I find that the orchid is a highly beautiful flower and this photo showcases such. Perhaps what is most appealing are the bright colours of yellow, pink, and purple that are speckled on each pedal. This particular photo was taken in one of Montréal's Botanical Garden greenhouses.
Oppose quality isn't that great, needs brightening up a bit too.
Oppose. I did a quick edit. The original was a little oversharpened, probably due to in-camera sharpening being set a bit too high. It's not terrible, but it's there at 100%, and there's nothing that can really be done with it. Same for the somewhat too-shallow DOF. Stuff in the bottom of the frame (brick wall?) is distracting too. I like the edit better than the original, but I don't think it's FP material. -- moondigger03:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the great edit; the photo looks much better!
Support This picture takes me back down memory lane when I dated an orchid gardener. This is totally FP material! — Preceding unsigned comment added by User:ButterLips (talk • contribs)
Oppose. Interesting subject, but the technical flaws as well as stylistic "flaws" (I'd like the shot pulled back a few feet) make it unacceptable. --Dante Alighieri | Talk17:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Pinched aluminium can, produced from a pulsed magnetic field created by rapidly discharging 2 kilojoules from a high voltage capacitor bank into a 3-turn coil of heavy gauge wire.Pinched aluminium can (Edited version)File:Aluminium-can-pinched edit.jpgPinched aluminium can Moondigger edit
With an equivalent amount of energy that could kill 250 people, the electromagnetic discharge that distorted this can is quite impressive, and appears in the article on the Pinch (plasma physics)
Oppose. Very impressive concept, but the photo isn't up to FP standards. Poor color saturation, which could be tweaked -- but no point in doing so due to the distracting background. Suggest setting the can on the fence in the background and shooting with the greenery in the background out of focus. Even better would be to shoot the can as if this were a product shot, with a nondescript totally white background, as in this photo: [23] --moondigger13:42, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The purpose of images on Wikipedia is to be informative. Thus we should feature an especially informative image even if it's not the most attractive. That said, where is the apparatus? Does the capacitor bank just look like an outside table? :) --Gmaxwell16:48, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I guess there are differently levels of information; one of the most important characteristics of a pinch is its shape, something which is very difficult to see with magnetic fields. What created the pinch is secondary; a lightnng bolt is equally illustrative, but is it important to show the cloud that somehow formed it? --Iantresman17:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I don't think the white background edit works. White background shots usually have to be shot that way in the first place to look "right." I made a pass at editing as well. In my attempt I corrected color balance, saturation, levels, and noise. The can appeared to be underexposed, probably due to the bright background tricking the in-camera meter. That's something that can't be completely corrected in post-processing, because simply raising the brightness beyond a certain point looks unnatural. The color balance was too blue in the foreground due to it being in shade, while the background is in sunlight. With the can correctly color-balanced, the background ends up too yellow. This image is undoubtedly interesting, though I can't recommend it for FP status. I think it should be put into whatever articles it's applicable to, and then replaced with a better version when one comes available. I would support a better image of the same subject for FP status. --moondigger20:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's a fascinating concept but not a great photo technically and the can on its own lacks any connection with the article: the picture gives no clue as to what caused the distortion. It would be a bit like using a random corpse as an FP for [[Poison]], for example ~ Veledan • Talk21:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know -- the corpse of a person who had actually died by poisoning could be instructive, if it showed some characteristic signs that distinguish the death by poison from some other type of death. Likewise this can shows the characteristic damage inflicted by a particular device. Therefore I think it could be instructive, but still oppose FP for this particular image due to image quality concerns. However an image that showed the can and the device (or at least the coil of wire attached to the capacitor bank) in the same frame would be even more instructive, per Gmaxwell.--moondigger22:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit with white background oppose the others. An image of the results of something can be as informative as an image of what did it. Plus, that is something I tke a second glance at. say198803:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't see a problem unless he votes again on one of his users, I did a check so far he has only voted once. PPGMD15:32, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Good photo! As Jojo 1 points out, the hand adds a sense of scale, otherwise the bird might be interpreted much smaller than it actually is. Not too sure about the backlighting, but it isn't really a problem for me. --Pharaoh Hound12:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. I want to like this image but a few things would have to be fixed first. The primary problem is that the subject is in shadow. I also find the obvious cloning marks (where something was eliminated from the background) on the right side distracting. Finally, there is noise visible in the bird at 100%. It's an excellent image to demonstrate the size of the bird, but it needs work before I could support it for FP. (I have downloaded it and am making an attempt at fixing the problems.) -- moondigger14:52, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I made an editing pass, but I'm out of time for now and it's still not right. The bird has been pulled out of the shadows a bit, and the noise has been reduced. Some of the more obvious cloning marks on the right edge of the frame have been eliminated as well. But the cloning marks around the bird's tail are still there and still distracting. I may be able to work on it some more later today, or maybe somebody else could have a go at it. -- moondigger15:15, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose A very good pic but not quite good enough for FP in my opinion. Compare our existing featured nuthatch. This nomination doesn't quite have the same feather detail and I have a preference for animal FPs to show the critter in a natural setting ~ Veledan • Talk17:25, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I disagree with both of you, who obviously don't appreciate the fact that he is feeding the wild bird out of his hands! I think that this picture is beautiful, and I would love to frame it and put it on my wall!
Support. I love this picture- look at the detail and the seed in the bird's mouth. Great pic.
This comes from Commons and is in public domain. It is a scan of an 1850 painting by one of that period's best artists. The image is striking and a good example of his style and the use of the Dante's Inferno as a subject. There may be a problem in the quality of the scan. What do you think?
It is at William-Adolphe Bouguereau.
Support. That demon in the background is having a grand ol' time. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-12 01:37
I particluarly like the way the kneeling man's back looks like it is made out of clay - the way the other man's fingers are digging into it! Wittylama09:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Canto VII, lines 112-114 ("They smote each other not alone with hands,/But with the head and with the breast and feet,/Tearing each other piecemeal with their teeth"
A composite of three images taken from the coastal path at Southerndown. It's a little soft at full resolution, but I think this is a good illustration of wave-cut platform nonetheless. The tide was well out, leaving a large area of the platform exposed. Used in Wave-cut platform and Erosion.
Weak oppose. Good image. I have one problem with it: the obvious compression artifacts. If that's resolved I'll support it. --Pharaoh Hound22:19, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support downsampled. Intriguing and encyclopedic, but the quality is a problem. Still seems too sharp, but it's not as bad as the original. -- bcasterline • talk23:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I think it's a really interesting topic, and the difference of the sky from the land is quite striking. Also, I may be blind, but where are the compression artifacts? --Fbv65edel(discuss | contribs)03:58, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support downsampled. Encyclopedic, illustrates subject very well. Downsampling got rid of the edge sharpening (which may be a camera "compression artifact"), giving a crisp, sharp image with practically no loss of detail. Still large enough, at 1595x800. --Janke | Talk07:48, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have to admit I'd not noticed the edge (too long staring at the damn thing trying to make sure it was straight!) but it's in the original JPEG straight out of the camera (highest quality setting) and all the editing/processing was done in .PSD to avoid over-compression. I'm afraid until I stop being a student and can afford a proper digi SLR, I'm stuck with what my camera gives me! --Yummifruitbat12:22, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Personally, I find this image very eyecatching. My only concern is the artefacts in the water, but am still willing to support, and have a preference for original. --jjron11:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I Think this has the potential to be Featured. Is there a way to remove the artifacts (as the edited version claims to have done) but retain the original's colouring? The edited version has been washed out. Wittylama16:12, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I bet you're comparing both tumbnails on a LCD or laptop screen! The colors are exactly the same in both images, but an LCD will show a vertical color/contrast difference over the screen area. LCDs are not the best screens for evaluating color and contrast. If you have a chance to look at this on a CRT, you'll see what I mean. Or, you can load both image pages (not the full-size images) in browser tabs, and switch between them - no visible color change. --Janke | Talk17:07, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak opposeSupport edited version. Nice image, striking and informative. I must not have viewed this one at 100% before; the oversharpening is obvious and detracts from the image. It is an excellent image for demonstating this particular geological formation, but it really is lacking from a technical perspective. --moondigger05:17, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Like most images, it won't be an FP forever, but I'm willing to give this one a go. Nice formation. Rocks are grey, so what? Support downsampled. - Samsara (talk • contribs) 22:51, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support This has got to be one of the greatest pictures on Wikipedia. I wish I could see that in real life -- BWF8912:30, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Beautiful location... but the image is scarred by significant over-sharpening artifacts (Esp white halos in the sky around the rock) which are visible even after significant downsampling. So close... it begs to be done just a bit better. Featuring this would remove the incentive to create a better image, a shame when a better image is so clearly possible. --Gmaxwell12:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support edited version - good encyclopedic value, clear and good colour, but ordinary composition. --P19900:11, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose the picture quality is terrifying. It isn't sharp, it looks like a blurry photo that someone tried to sharpen and failed rather miserably... drumguy8800 - speak04:16, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. As good quality and well taken as the pciture is, I can't help to fell that the subject just isn't that interesting. -Nauticashades21:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note: readded nomination after being told it was okay to nominate a Commons picture on the 'Pedia. I'm still learning :) – ∅ (∅), 17:54, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Image is non-free (nc-nd). The illumination on the girl is far too harsh, it contrasts with the OOF area in an objectionable way and leaves an ugly shadow, perhaps not a reason to oppose, but it's nice to know that we're losing an image that some Wikipedian could do better. :) I also think that an ideal image demonstrating shallow DOF would be free of the distraction of a human subject. --Gmaxwell18:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe the uploader has a higher resolution version (although at 750x1000, the pick satisfies WP:WIAFP suggested criterion). ˉˉanetode╞┬╡ 13:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC) Thanks for uploading the hi-rez version, Aurbina. ˉˉanetode╞┬╡08:47, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose Great picture, but... compression artifacts (sky/head). I'll support a less compressed, preferably larger version. --Janke | Talk15:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's because a new, larger & better version has been uploaded! So, full Support, now, for the consensus version! --Janke | Talk08:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit 2. Have done two edits to try to improve the shadows on the statues and remove some artefacting (which I think was still there in the sky). My personal preference is the cropped second edit, but support any. I love Moai. --jjron10:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Edit 2. Cropped image removed the partial shot of the rock? or another statue? Either way, it's a great image. bob rulz01:52, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Don't like the crop much, it makes the statue look like he has his nose up against some glass or something. It also brings out the space at the right hand side too much - the rock doesn't really bother me. Stevage17:20, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support original version, weak support for the two edited versions. The contrast and colors in the original seem more lifelike, and although the two other versions bring out more detail in the face and the stone's surface, they just don't ring true. Kafziel12:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Support the first, colors seem less washed out. Very historical and good contrast (but really only in 1st). -OldMajor02:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Blue Linkia starfish among coral and Anthias on the Great Barrier Reef.
After reading WP:WIAFP I feel this picture meets every requirement, it is of high quality, large, and well done;
It appears in Coral reef and Great Barrier Reef, and was created by Richard Ling.
Weak Oppose Dark? On the contrary, the highlights are slightly blown. Underwater photos aren't easy to shoot, this almost qualifies for FP, thanks to the very unusual subject. I didn't know there were blue starfish, but now I do! BTW, there's a license conflict on the image page, both a copyright, and a GFDL. --Janke | Talk05:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well actually there are varying degrees of blown, since you asked. There is blown on all three colour channels (ie white) and then there is blown in just one or two colour channels (which results in a rather flat textured blue/red/green highlight. Both are blown, but the white one is going to be more obvious and annoying). I assume Janke meant that parts of the highlights were blown. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)11:56, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. I would love to support it and I totally disagree with Andy that it is dark, but unfortunately there are a lot of artefacts in the image which make its focus fuzzy at best.- Mgm|(talk)08:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A 1600 x 1200 with this much detail at 210kB is going to run into compression problems. Is it possible for the photographer to upload a less compressed version? I think it would attract a fair bit of support. Also, as per Janke, have concerns with that copyright conflict. --jjron09:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It's an interesting photo, however, and it might just be me, but the photo seems completely out focus. Looks light someone tried to sharpen it. --Mad Max09:16, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Even at reduced size, some problems are evident; at 100% they are pronounced. I wish we could have the original image, as it came out of the camera. It might be possible to make something more suitable out of it. --moondigger17:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. WOW! Vibrant colors and great angle- I love this picture! And it is unique from the rest being underwater and everything/ I love the blue starfish! Good job. tiger35
Comment Original image now uploaded. I generally avoided this because I cringe at the idea of 700+kB images on every imaginable topic. I usually reduce the resolution and aim for ~100k, though this one clearly does not compress well. Richard Ling
This Neoregelia traps rainwater in its core to provide nutrients to itself.
This stuning photograph shows a bright purple and green Neoregelia at its core with inflorescences (the purple flowers) being sustained by trapped rainwater. The colours and proximity of the photo make it especially beautiful.
Comment I think it would be better if it had more perspective to get your bearings... but, it's good... not sure if it's FP material. grenグレン18:21, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cutaway view of a Sarracenia flower with anatomical parts labeled
The floral anatomy of Sarracenia (the North American Pitcher Plants) is unusual and the accompanying pollination mechanism is relatively complicated; I created this image to clearly illustrate the morphophysiological features so that the pollination process could be better understood. This image appears on the Sarracenia page, and a version with German labels appears on the corresponding German de:Schlauchpflanzen page.
Support great quality, a better diagram than you get from school text books! Very clear and straight forward.--Andeh23:25, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Conditional Support There's most probably a typo in the legend: "Fillament" should be "Filament", fix that and you can strike the "conditional" in my support. --Janke | Talk05:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - it's a pity that this flower anatomy only applies to this very specific plant. The "Umbrella shaped style catches pollen" irks me a bit - the rest of the labels simply indicate parts of the flower, rather than being descriptive. So I suggest completely deleting that label, or possibly reworking it into the other "style" label (Perhaps as "Style (umbrella shape catches pollen)"). Also, some fact checking would be good, anyone? Stevage07:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The umbrella shaped style is the whole reason this image was needed - no other genus has it (that I know of), and a simple description of the flower doesn't do it justice. I could have just labeled it "style", but I used the wording I did so that the unique function of this style is apparent without reading the accompanying text. --NoahElhardt15:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Fact checking - not again ;). Agree with Stevage's take on the 'style' labelling. Also, as per Janke, filament (fillament) is mispelt. I also dislike the inconsistent use of singular/plural, e.g., I'm sure that line is pointing to a single anther (labelled anthers), and why point to two petals, but only one of everything else (e.g., there's more than one sepal and more than one bract in view as well). I will withhold my vote and would encourage a tidy up. --jjron09:20, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I removed the plurality from petal(s) and anther(s), but left it on ovules, as there was no way to point out a single ovule. (Personally I preferred plurals where doing so was convenient (the sepals and bracts weren't close enough together), but this works as well I guess).
Still not happy that "style" is pointed to twice - once plainly "Style", and once descriptively "Umbrella shaped style catches pollen". Why not combine them? In any case, it should be "Umbrella-shaped" (hyphenated). Hmph. :) Stevage11:48, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This beautiful, blue waterlily is shown at the peak of its bloom. I'm pretty proud of how this pic turned out and I think that I finally have something worthy of becoming a Featuring Picture. This image can be found in the articles about Hodges Gardens, Park and Wilderness Area and Nymphaeaceae.
Oppose'weakly. Sorry, very nice pic, composition and subject, but it's out of focus. Lovely resolution though. And as an afterthought, I don't think userpages qualify for articles pics are used in ;). —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ18:51, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I disagree with Vanderdecken. The photo is barely out-of-focus and only so at its highest resolution. Really great picture, actually. Dessie
Support. If one were to scrutinize every current FP, there would be many that are more out of focus than this. It's a pretty flower with good framing and color. --Preyquis19:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit. The pale blue color of the petals is amazing. My edit was an attempt to address some of the concerns expressed above. I think it turned out nice, though it is slightly lower resolution. -- moondigger23:39, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Thank you SO MUCH Moondigger. The picture look marvelous.
Support Excellent photo. Perfect angle, pedals are well-defined and vibrant colours. Excellent spacing and contrast- best photo of a water lily I've seen. Christine
Oppose Another close-up of a flower? The color is astonishing, but why does every other picture have to be a flower close-ups? Why can't it be a picture of the roots? The leaves? Or the rhizome? --Hecktor20:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Excellent picture. Encylclopedic and informing- I think this is a great illustration of what a waterlily looks like in the center. fpwannabe
Comment Aside from the possible sockpuppet issues, this picture is very nice but sadly less encyclopedic than I would wish as it lacks a species/variety name. Any chance you could add this info in the description?--NoahElhardt22:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As I am in no way affiliated with the so called "sockpuppets," I don't mind if these users are blocked. As for the questions of the encyclopedic nature of this photo, it is part of the family called Nymphaeaceae. There is no more specifics as to genuses, let alone species, of this family on Wikipedia currently. -- GarrettRock22:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. You can never be too sure when it comes to what water lily variety that is. I highly doubt that is Nymphaea caerulea. As you can see, the stamens are different in color and shape. The petals are also different in shape and color. This waterlily is most likely a hybrid with some parentage from Nymphaea colorata. --Hecktor08:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Beautiful picture, but it does not enhance the article Water lily compared to existing picture. The defining characteristic of a water lily is the pads which are too discrete in this picture. The existing picture is much better suited as there is instant recognition of the plant. —Jens Nielsen08:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I would rely on a site like that. One can easily take a picture of a blue-colored waterlily and post it on a site and say it is N. caerulea, but does it mean it actually is? Here are two links to a more reliable source: N. caeruleaN. colorata. This cultivar is possibly one called 'Pamela' but again, it's really impossible to be sure, because there are so many hybrids out there. --Hecktor09:15, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Canon EOS 350D/Digital Rebel XTEdit 1 - by Fir0002, color corrected
I really like the quality and the fact that it shows a good angle of this type of Canon camera, with a background that complements the subject;
appears in Canon EOS 350D, and Aka created the image.
Oppose. A better depiction of the lens than the camera, though it's difficult to tell from the picture alone which models of camera or lens are depicted. Oversharpened. -- moondigger02:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
What's wrong with "Canon EOS 350D digital single-lens reflex camera with a Tamron 18-200 f/3.5-6.3 XR Di II LD lens"? -- Aka06:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If the image is meant to be illustrative of a particular camera body (i.e., encyclopedic), then the viewing angle and mounted accessories are big considerations. The only indication we have that this is a 350D is the caption. We can't see a significant portion of the front of the camera (including the model designation) due to the mounted lens, which is more prominent in the image than the camera body. Most of the controls are not visible. Without the caption, all we can really tell is that this is a Canon SLR with a lens mounted, not that it's a 350D. It's not a bad image, but even if it wasn't oversharpened, it's not encyclopedic. -- moondigger13:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
OK, but you cannot have all at once ;) You cannot show the camera from all sides and with and without a lens within one picture. And there is one more image from the back part of the camera. -- Aka13:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
You didn't have to remove the nomination. You could have waited for more opinions. I gave my opinion, but that doesn't mean others wouldn't disagree with me. -- moondigger14:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A pod of hippopotamuses in Luangwa River, Zambia.A new version with improved color and contrast.Edit by Fir0002
This high quality photograph was taken by Paul Maritz in 2002, and uploaded under the GFDL. It illustrates a pod of hippopotamuses and appears in the Hippopotamus and Cetartiodactyla articles. While it does not depict the entire body of the hippopotamus, it does show most of their heads in detail from multiple angles. Another featured picture, Image:Hippo skull dark.jpg, may show the jaw structure better. This image also shows how the animals group together, and how they swim in the murky river (using their noses for air).
Oppose. Your nom is correct but I do not think this is FP quality. It does not have the arresting quality that an image of one of Africa's Big Five Game should have. Also, it's too dark and there is no obvious focal point. Sorry. Wittylama03:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
How silly of me! Der! I nevertheless still think it isn't an "arresting" image even if the Hippo isn't in the Big 5! Wittylama12:35, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've uploaded a version with improved color and contrast; the white reflection on the hippos' noses makes it difficult to lighten it much. While editing I did notice that the image has some JPEG artifacting, but it's hardly noticeable without zooming in, so personally I don't think it's an issue. ~MDD469616:24, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support MDD4696's edit. The photo is rather plain, but it seems to be the only shot of a pod of hippos around. Solid encyclopedic value. -- bcasterline • talk23:30, 30 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support My edit. As mentioned above, it's not a particularly overwhelmingly great photo, but it is good for it's encyclopaedic value. Uploaded an edit with lightening, sharpening, removal of leaf and reduction of file size by a third (compared to other edit) --Fir0002www01:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I feel pretty strongly that it shouldn't be. Internet speeds are getting faster all the time, so why should we sacrifice quality when these images will probably be around for a very long time? ~MDD469600:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strongly support Fir0002 here. Wikipedia should be an accessible resource for everyone, not just for wealthy westerners living in big cities with access to cheap high-speed broadband. There is NO reason for the image to go from 400kB (original) to 1,300kB (first edit). And as bcasterline has said, Fir0002 and others can get pictures at good quality and a reasonable size. --jjron09:48, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The reason my edit tripled in size is because I saved it with no compression; the original was saved with moderate compression. Not that it's any justification if there's no difference in quality. And getting a bit off-topic here, but I was under the impression that South Korea had much faster internet access at lower cost than many "western" countries. It's definately not cheap in the U.S.! How does having a large original make Wikipedia less accessible...? You can still view thumbnails just fine. ~MDD469616:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah you can view thumbnails fine, but, come on! You seriously saying that an example of wikipedia's best work should only be visible to someone on a slow connection at thumbnail size?! And before you give the mediawiki resizing argument, that still isn't good enough. The picture still takes proportionaly long to load as it's file size since mediawiki uses the original compression of the jpeg. If you don't belive me get on a dialup internet connection and try look at an uncompressed PNG. Also all we get from media wiki is a larger thumbnail. Why shouldn't the fullsize be avialble to all? --Fir0002www22:31, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Because that results in mediocre images. Besides, people will be getting (as time goes by) better and better connectivity, but the pictures will no automatically get bigger. We should preserve (for posterity) the highest possible rez. If you want to make a low-rez version of every FP, feel free. There's no reason to cripple the FP itself. --Dante Alighieri | Talk14:54, 2 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
'People' may be getting better connectivity, but not ALL people, and not for a long time. And people certainly do not have this now. Wikipedia should be a resource for all, not just the well off living in the 'right' places. This is my original argument, and I am yet to hear an even vaguely reasonable response. Re South Korea's internet access, I believe you (MDD4696) are correct, and I'm sure other 'non-western' countries also have great access, e.g., Japan, Singapore and others - so what? Identifying other people that are in the same position as rich westerners is no reply, and surely they are less likely to be using English language Wikipedia anyway? And if you think broadband's not cheap in the US, then you should try getting it in other countries. Besides that simply reinforces my argument. If you can't get cheap broadband even in the US, then if you make all images unnecessarily large that cuts out a lot of the population from access to the best resources, the people that probably need access to a great free educational resource the most. Perhaps someone out there wants to answer, 'No, Wikipedia should only be for the wealthy'. I would hope not. And as I said above, if Fir0002 can produce an edit at a third the file size but with the same resolution and an undectable difference in quality as the other edit, then it can clearly be done, so why don't others do it. This is not resulting in 'mediocre images' and is not 'crippling' the FP. --jjron10:04, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If there's no reduction in resolution or picture quality, obviously a smaller file size is preferable. I think it's debatable how much you can truly reduce the file size with "no" loss in quality though. Aside from that, what is wrong with my proposal about creating lower resolution versions of large FPCs as needed? Are you saying we should downsample the San Francisco image up at the top of the page because people on 2400 baud modems in the 3rd world can't download it quickly enough? Why not just create a 1/8 scale image and link to it from the desciption page? That way we don't have to sacrifice the highest quality source and people can still download it even with "poor" connectivity. Again, I'm unconvinced that the "typical" Featured Picture can be drastically reduced in file size without affecting resolution and/or quality. --Dante Alighieri | Talk17:50, 4 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
By definition, JPEG is a lossy file format; you'll always get 'some' loss. I'm talking about stuff that a normal user can actually detect. I don't think we are really in that much disagreement. My problem is with people that can't be bothered to consider file size. As I argued here (please read) and above, we need a balance between size and quality. There's nothing wrong with making lower res versions, but Wikimedia already does that type of thing, and as Fir0002 has already said, that is not entirely satisfactory. What's wrong the person uploading the image, who is presumably an expert, at least taking file size into consideration? Do you really think it's reasonable for an edit to more than triple in size from the original? (And BTW, yes I supported the San Fran pic, and yes the file size concerned me, and yes I think some careful saving probably could have reduced it without sacrificing quality; that's part of the reason I supported the original version which was almost 2MB less than the first edit). --jjron07:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we're fundamentally in agreement on the issue. I just think that saying that people "can't be bothered" with file size might be a bit harsh. The explanation given above was a concern for the highest possible quality, not a "willy nilly" disregard for file size. --Dante Alighieri | Talk16:10, 6 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps harsh, perhaps just to the point. I have seen several users honestly admit in the past that they haven't considered file size when it's mentioned. And MDD4696's first reply to Fir0002's comment on file size (above) was "File size isn't really a concern, is it?". To me that's saying he/she hadn't bothered with it - perhaps I'm misinterpreting what he meant? I know why it tripled in size, I just think the 'experts' need to think about what they're doing, because everyone has to live with the consequences. --jjron06:35, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. As everyone seems to be saying, this image does not meet criteria 3 "Be wikipedia's best work" even though it does meet criteria 5 "add value to the article". This is exemplified by Fir0002's, Pharaoh Hound's and bcasterline's comments above. Surely a pic should meet all criteria before being Featured?! Wittylama13:46, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I generally agree, although the criteria describe what a featured picture should be, not what it must be. Since this seems to be the only shot hippo pod around (here and commons), I think that makes it fairly unique -- satisfying criteria 3. -- bcasterline • talk15:41, 31 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's my personal preference to err on the side of inclusion. Even though this picture isn't absolutely perfect, it's still pretty neat, and I think most people would be impressed with it. ~MDD469600:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Another that seems to gain significance only once additional information not present in the image itself is known. (See below) -- moondigger18:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
First of all, if that were true, I don't see how that'd be a problem. Where is it written that FP's must be separable from a textual description? Second of all... it's a photo of a hippo pod... and it looks like a photo of a hippo pod... what "additional information not present in the image itself" is it that you're referencing? --Dante Alighieri | Talk15:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I didn't say FPs had to be "separable from a textual description." I'm saying that a featured picture should be impressive visually, and not only after somebody has read about it. It should make the viewer want to read about the topic the picture is attached to - and not because they're wondering what it is that qualified a featured picture as 'featured' in the first place.
That said, as I look at it today I find myself agreeing with Witty lama about it just not being arresting enough to be a FP. It's a bunch of hippos. There are no obvious flaws like poor focus or compression artifacts, but that just means it was correctly photographed and processed. If all we're looking for in a FP is a lack of technical flaws and "encyclopedic value," then almost every picture I've seen attached to any article qualifies. In my mind there should be something that separates a featured picture from other properly-exposed, properly-processed images with encyclopedic value. It might be hard to define, but I know it when I see it. I don't see it in this image. -- moondigger19:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't think it has that "something special", fine... but you said before that it only gained significance once additional information not present in the image itself is known. I'm still unclear as to what this additional information is with respect to this image. Nothing in the discussion above or the photo's caption or description page seems to indicate anything other than the obvious... this is a photo of a pod of hippos. --Dante Alighieri | Talk23:25, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
My fault for not explaining clearly what I was hinting at. Somebody said something about pictures of hippo pods with this many hippos in them being rare. I took that to mean it was unusual to see this many hippos together. Looking back, I don't think that's what was meant, but that's how I understood it at the time. In any case, I still oppose the nomination for the reasons mentioned in my previous post. -- moondigger01:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Meta comment: the discussion above about image size is shockingly uninformed. Fir is completely wrong about "mediawiki uses the orignal compression". Go look at the source and you'll see that claim is utter bullshit... in fact that would be terribly difficult to impliment even if we wanted to do so... I'm alarmed that someone we respect is talking out of his ass like that, just right-click the image and view the size of the transmitted thumbs. It is important that our pages are accessable to users on slow links, but what is material for those users are the size of the mediawiki generated thumbnails. In this case Fir's 'smaller edit' actually has a 40% larger thumbnail. This is often caused by non-obvious jpeg artifacts in the orignal making re-compression more difficult. If the user clicks on the image for a larger version fir's edit is still larger: because the image has large enough dimensions, the image page is also displaying a scaled version... and here Fir's 50% larger! It is only when the user has clicked twice to obtain the holy-crap-thats-big orignal image does Fir's version end up being smaller. It's reasonable to expect that when someone has clicked twice that the actually want the highest quality available and won't mind a bit of a download. Generally we advise people to save their JPGs at the highest reasonable quality. This would be 90-95% for things with an libjpeg style control, and either the highest or one step down from make-it-as-big-as-possible setting in most other applications. First priority is to preserve quality in the orignal so that it thumbs well and survives future edits, only after that should we consider size in the interest of not being wasteful. It would appear that the first edit errored a little too much in favor of making the image large, but it appears Fir's version cut the size too far and as a result drastically increased the size of the thumbs. I.e. all of that argument when the smaller image is bigger where it actually counts. --Gmaxwell05:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. This picture is awesome- what an experience to get so close to a bunch of hippos- and I think this is fp material because it shows a pack of hippos- what more do you want? If you were to get a close up they would criticize you and say that they are sick of "boring" close ups of "ordinary" pictures! Aahh... I would like to see someone else try to photograph a bunch of dangerous hippos. I agree with you, Gmaxwell. fpwannabe
Support version 3 Actually it's not so difficult to photograph a hippo pod in the Luangwa as it has very steep banks. It's more difficult to reach the Luangwa though (three hours without a 4X4 from Chipata) ;-) -- Lycaon16:06, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support 2nd version. A cheerful company in there. 3rd version is a bit too bright. — Vildricianus 14:34, 24 June 2006 (UTC) – Sorry if I was unclear, that is "Hippo pod v2", the "A new version with improved color and contrast", the second picture. — Vildricianus09:34, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, the larger image looks pretty cool, especially the second version, but, again, it loses a lot in the smaller size.—johndburger15:51, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A striking piece of work, the Walt Disney Concert Hall, by Frank Gehry, is in my mind unquestionably one of the most innovative pieces of architecture in the world. Seen at Walt Disney Concert Hall, released to public domain by the copyright holder. This is an excellent photograph.
Support. Nice photo. On my monitor there's a some loss of shadow detail, but I think my monitor is calibrated wrong. I'd like it to be bigger, but this size in acceptable. --Pharaoh Hound19:34, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. It's a tough subject. The reason for the dominance of shadow areas is that there are two blown-out highlight areas in the lower right, and one smaller blown-out area center left. To minimize the blown-out areas, the rest of the photo is darker than we'd prefer or see if we were viewing it directly. (Visual perception shifts as we direct our attention to different areas of the actual building, but doesn't have enough information to work with to do the same thing with a photo of the building.) I'd like to make an attempt at editing it to see if I can bring up the shadow areas a bit without making the blown-out areas any worse than they already are. I'll try tonight. -- moondigger19:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
One more comment. It also suffers from uneven polarization -- the sky at center is a deeper blue than the sky at right, probably due to using a polarizer on a wide-angle lens. For some people this isn't too objectionable, though it really bothers others. For me it's a matter of severity, and this isn't too severe. It's nearly impossible to correct in post-processing, though. -- moondigger19:50, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit 2. Much improved. I don't mind the polarization problems very much (in fact, I dodn't notice them until you pointed them out). --Pharaoh Hound12:32, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support for Edit 2. It's not perfect (it still has that problem with uneven polarization), but it's better than the other daytime photo from this angle in the article. BTW, this isn't a dusk shot -- based on the reflections the sun is still up in the sky. I'd guess late afternoon. The first edit is closer to how it would really look in the daytime, but I think we lose too much contrast in the sides of the building. (Can't increase contrast overall or we risk blowing the highlights even more.) So I think Edit 2 is a good compromise. The differences between them are more apparent at full resolution than in the thumbs. -- moondigger23:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Note: I just noticed two spots in the image that appear to be the result of dust on the camera's sensor. One is in the upper left corner of the front-facing wall over the sidewalk; the other is in the upper right area of the darkest (left-facing) wall. I've removed them from Edit 2. -- moondigger01:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support The highlights don't bother me. Normally I'd say this was a tad too dark, but there is no other good way to show the curves in the building without the shadows. Staxringoldtalkcontribs22:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose. Forgive me but I had to walk by a building that looked identical to that (also designed by Gehry) for 4 years of my life, and I've grown to despise his "art". It doesn't go over so well when your building costs millions above what was projected, turns into a waterfall during rain, or a death-trap in the icy winter. :) There was also that former employee who came back with a machine gun and started shooting up the place. Even if I liked the building, there are better angles (available by helicopter) for showing off his work, and this image is kind of stale in the lighting/coloring. You don't really get the metallic shine that you do on a bright day. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-13 22:28
Oppose its too dull. Its a shiney metal building and it looks like an old pop can. Also there is still noise where the building meets the sky. -Ravedave19:38, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. This is one of my photos. And not one I'm too proud of frankly. The morning sun gave it a odd color balance, and it was wildly underexposed to prevent even more blowouts. And the dust on the lens of course........ On top of that I used Photoshop's highlights feature to bring up the shadows, which made it look slightly "off". We took a lot of great photos that day, but this IMHO wasn't one of them. But.... It's a tough subject indeed. Hmmmm...... On doing some checking I notice Wikipedia is using about ten of the photos we took that one weekend. Maybe it's time to go back to LA for another photo tour huh?--y6y6y622:44, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That's not dust on the lens. It's dust or dirt on the sensor in the camera. Dust on the lens is way too far outside of the focal plane to show up.
I'll be in Cleveland tomorrow if you care for some photos of the Peter B. Lewis Building, another one of his abominations that I alluded to above. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-14 23:13
Support - An awesome piece of architectural work. The contrasts don't bother me in the least. If anything, I like the original picture the best, because it looks more natural. bob rulz01:48, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'll upload a higher res version of the photo this weekend and try to clean it up real pretty like.--y6y6y603:33, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Original Picture - Original photo is more natural in showing the Architecture detail, and the contrast gives depth to the building and prevents it from appearing too flat. Advanced16:53, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Nice image, but such relative easy to shoot subjects should have a higher quality image to be featured. Janderk11:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Cane Toad Bufo marinusFile:Bufo marinus2.jpg Edit 01. Not cropped as tightly and not as bright.File:Bufo marinus3.jpgEdit 02. Balance lighting, bring out the frog a bit, auto-colored but with only a slight clip on the highlights BRIAN0918
I found this image while look through Froggydarb's gallery, when he had the Litoria phyllochroa up for FPC. It is really clear, looks very good in full resolution and is encyclopedic.
Weak Oppose. The picture seems a little too cropped, but overall the photo quality is alright. Maybe Froggydarb still has the original? --Mad Max03:28, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
If it doesn't move too much, could you try a long exposure (eg, 3 seconds?). Or, are they active during the day at all? Stevage11:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Next time, take a sheet of white paper/plastic, or aluminum foil, set it up on the opposite side of the subject to reflect some flash light into the shadows. (Would it even be possible with these hoppers, are they active or lethargic? ;-) --Janke | Talk12:14, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Na, it wouldn't be all that easy. They do hop around a bit and it just to difficult when you are out in the field to do that. Besides you are too close to the subject for this method to really work, and even if you could get far enough away you couldn't position the reflective surface to bounce the flash under the chin of the subject. The only way this could really work is if I had more than one flash, one on the camera and one on a mount pointing under the chin of the subject. Froggydarb12:36, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Can you still get slave flashes - the ones that have a photocell that trigger them when they "see" the camera's flash? A couple of those would do wonders! --Janke | Talk20:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I've added an edit that attempts to balance out the lighting, and I used selective blurring/sharpening to bring out the frog a bit and reduce the distraction of the leaves a bit. If the highlights are still too bright, that can easily be fixed. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-14 13:19
It's not the brightness that's the problem so much as the strong shadows, and regardless of editing it will still look like a flash was used (I hate flash, it looks awful). --Pharaoh Hound19:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Fwiw, you don't technically need to use "a flash", you need to use "lighting" - which could incorporate one or more flashes, or static lighting (presuming that it doesn't scare the creature off). A flash is obviously a hell of a lot more convenient though :) Stevage17:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Do you mean dark overall (which can be fixed), or just the shadow under the frog? — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-14 14:42
I'd weak support if the lighting can be fixed even more. Obviously you can't edit the shadow underneath the animal, but I wouldn't mind the picture being slightly brighter. It seems overall too dark. Your first edit Brian is better than the original, but not quite in the ballpark yet. --Mad Max02:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support edit02. It really is an excellent photo of one of the most disgusting creatures. A lot of detail can be seen on whole body. Exceptionally encyclopaedic. Stevage15:30, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This photo is technically sound (sharp, good resolution) and pertinent to the article it adorns. However, it should have something more than that to be featured, IMO. Maybe a shot of the same subject with a different background or lighting would do it. (I understand this might be difficult to achieve, but that would make such a photo even more FP-worthy.) -- moondigger17:31, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Failing daylight I would suggest ideally a macro flash ring or an umbrella flash. This is obviously specialized and expensive equipment but it is probably the only real solution. By using a mounted flash you could direct the flash onto a white piece of paper to get a diffused "reflection flash". Also by using a tripod and relatively slow shutter speed/high ISO you could use some of the ambient light and require less flash --Fir000210:57, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. Its not bad, but the resolution isn't all that it could be (yes, it is more than 1000px wide, but its ratio means that it is not very tall or detailed). I get the feeling that it probably isn't the best composition or view, but this is just the impression I get, I have no idea what limitations there are. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)14:51, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. There are two specks in the sky that could either be birds or dust/dirt. Because of the ambiguity they should probably be cloned out, whatever they are. I would be willing to support this if the resolution/sharpness were higher. There's so much detail lost at this resolution. -- moondigger14:54, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose composition really isn't great. There is apparently a river or canal (bay?) in the foreground which has been left out of shot, there are buildings on the right which aren't doing anything, the mast of the boat to the left is distracting (you can't see the whole boat), and the focus of the image isn't clear. Are we looking at the church or the row of houses? If the latter, it's a pity they're half obscured behind a railing, cars and trees. IMHO this photo would be much better if cropped at the bright blue house on the left, at the red house on the left, and with some water showing at the front, so we could understand the view these houses have. Stevage15:24, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Yes, it is somewhat unclear of what the viewers are viewing, but I think it is a great shot. Unique and colorful-
Support Bright and colourful, illustrates Cobh well. I believe that this photo is looking out over a small marina or shipping basin (not canal or river, notice the slip way to the right) at the Cobh waterfront, a sleepy fishing community, which I expect is getting more and more dominated by tourism. Great pic -Aled D13:32, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Is that just a personal feeling? We only set a minimum for the longer side of the image, and this one is wider than 1000px - the 430 is not technically in breach of that restriction. Stevage09:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's mainly a personal feeling, but I think with panoramas the 1000px restriction doesn't apply. I personally think that the restriction should not be in terms of pixels wide but megapixels. As despite having 1400 pixels of width, the picture is only 0.6 megapixels. --Fir000211:01, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. I love detailed panoramas, but this lacks something (and it is not sky... ;-) Also, some of the buildings are leaning significantly - even the church. --Janke | Talk20:10, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It is a waterfront, right? Where's the water? Subject is very good, but this would be much better if there were a better balance between the sky and the water. And if it were bigger, as I'd like to zoom in on those houses. I don't know about the technical issues here, but isn't it possible to have a straight horizon instead of a curved one? The spire is indeed about to tumble down. — Vildricianus14:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The National Congress Building of Brazil, in BrasíliaEdit 1-The National Congress Building of Brazil, in BrasíliaEdit 2-The National Congress Building of Brazil, in Brasília
I think that this is an image that demonstrates well both the National Congress and the general look of Brasília. I think it is high quality and distinctive. It is big enough and has a free licence. I found it whilst browsing, and thought it looked excellent, so I have nominated it. It is by xenïa antunes, and appears on Brasília, National Congress of Brazil, Politics of Brazil etc. (sorry about the page name - it is a typo).
Oppose. Far too much road in the foreground and sky on the right, the subject takes up less than a third of the image (more like a sixth), if it was cropped I might change my vote. --Pharaoh Hound12:53, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Agree, experimenting in the browser suggests that it's much more pleasing if you crop to just allow enough of the road to be able to understand the geography of the windows to the right of shot. Stevage15:26, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just one problem with a crop: the product will probably end up too small unless a higher res version of the original is available. ---Pharaoh Hound19:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that means the image is too small then. We want 1000xN pixels of useful content, not just 1000xN pixels of whatever :) Stevage08:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - I have seen better pictures of this subject that provide a better view and angle highlighting the modern architecture. This picture does not demonstrate that well. --P19916:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Only about 1/4 of the picture is actually focusing on the building. There's way too much open space to the right and way too much road in front. bob rulz01:42, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone know if the long flat building to the right is part of the same building? If so, it should be in the photo (as it is). Stevage08:30, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it is the actual parliament building itself. It is horribly represented here in all edits (still oppose). --P19916:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like (Support) the second one. I understand all your points about there being too much road, but the article on Brasília seemed to imply that roads were very important in that city. Oh well. Thanks for the edits. (BTW, Edit two is wll over 1000px.) :-) Estrellador*07:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
This picture captures the beauty of nature in Ouray, Colorado. I took this picture after a storm while vacationing in Colorado this June. This picture appears in the article "Wildflowers." This photograph is of a Penstemon strictus (Rocky Mountain Penstemon)Scrophulariaceae (Snapdragon Family). It looks blurry since I had to downsize it,but it isn't blurry when you enlarge it .
What does the flower have to do with the city? You should probably add the picture to an article on the flower. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-15 04:43
*Comment I think this is a good photo so, tomarrow I will attempt to determine what type of flower it is an get is placed there, so if people colud hold off for now it would be appreciated. Thanks. -Ravedave04:58, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The depth of field is very shallow, and as a result significant portions of the flower are slightly out of focus. A few drops of rain or dew on a flower can accentuate it nicely, but in this case I think there's too much. It's also cropped just a little too tightly IMO. -- moondigger14:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Not good focus, and the angle is very unencyclopedic. I couldn't even begin the guess the family/species from this without seeing a better shot of the flower/leaves. --NoahElhardt15:31, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I really like the rain droplets. The blurry background accentuates the colors of the flower. Danielle
Oppose DOF is way too shallow, try playing around with the aperture next time. Also, the background should be blurry, but not most of the flower along with it.--Mad Max21:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Why don't you just delete my picture if you don't like it? You don't have to oppose every picture you see just so that yours can win.
Opposing one photo does not make the promotion of another photo any more or less likely. Each photo is judged on its own merits by most of the participants here, even if we don't always agree. People have different opinions and different standards. It might be difficult, but try not to take opposition to your photo personally. -- moondigger23:45, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
An image that very clearly displays the size of the protest and the location, is very striking following some minor clean-up from moondigger, and is used to it's full encyclopedic value IMO now that I've added it to a couple other articles. Worthy of the featured picture tag, IMO.
Support. This image combines three traits rarely seen in one photo: historical significance, high quality, and exelent composition. --Pharaoh Hound00:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak oppose The only thing I don't like about this photo is the immediate foreground; I find the hat a bit distracting, though I acknowledge that it is otherwise of good quality Tewy00:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Might I ask you reconsider your vote? I ask because WP:WIAFP clearly states for requirements 1 and 7 (Be of High Quality, Be Pleasing to the eye) that "The more historically-important an image is, or the rarer its content, the less aesthetically-pleasing it may be." This image is of a 1963 March (clearly impossible to get new content, coupled with the high resolution making it rare) and very historically important as the site of one of the most famous speeches of modern times. If your opposition is weak and based only on that one style element of the photo, I would ask you consider the WP:WIAFP. Thanks either way! Staxringoldtalkcontribs00:24, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Okay fine, "lol," you convinced me to change it to a Weak support. Like i said earlier, I really do like this picture: it's quality, it's significance, etc. BUT, that hat...it's just a bit much. That's the only thing. So don't get me wrong, I do like the picture, "but that hat!" I would give it a Support, maybe even a Strong support IF IF IF the hat wasn't as prominant in the photo. I'm not sure if that can be cropped out though. It would probably take away from the photo significantly. Is it possible there are any alternate versions? That might be a possibility. But then again, this all might just be me, (not liking the hat). Tewy05:13, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. A featured image of the 1963 Washinton march should show Martin Luther King. This is were he held his famous I have a dream speech. There are pictures with both the crowd and MLK on it, like this. I could not find a version though which could be published on wikipedia though. Maybe we should just make the video featured, although that probably has license issues too.Janderk10:52, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We can have more than 1 FP on a topic, as we already do for other topics. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-21 08:16
Weak support despite the big hat. I do believe we're on the stage (steps of the Lincoln Memorial?), not in the crowd as someone said above. My main negative is that going by the number of empty seats up front there, this is either somewhat before or after the speeches have happened, and possibly the entire crowd is not at its full. Still pretty good. Remember also that King wasn't the only speaker so I don't really think he has to be in the pic. --jjron11:32, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support It's a nice pic. But I think we've all seen this so many times, well at least those in the US, and I just don't find it interesting. --Hecktor09:25, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Crop it! - no, I know that would be sacrilege. But the photo would be better cropped to remove the two big heads at the bottom (or at least make them less dominant). And it would still easily meet resolution requirements. Stevage08:41, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support It's historical, a good picture, interesting, and encyclopedic. It's a good lead-in to the major article but can stand on it's own. Highly supported. -OldMajor01:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support: The hat is distracting, sure, but it meets the exception criteria for featured images, as it is of great historical significance. Besides, cropping it would remove a large portion of the crowd from the image. –ArmadniGeneral (talk • contribs) 06:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support The heads/hats really add to the image aesthetically and really give you a sense of being there. I think cropping would really ruin the overall feel of the image. --Mwhorn06:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. That hat may be a wee bit distracting, but without the hat it would just be another dull photograph with lots of people, no matter from where and when. The hat is aesthetically pleasing and gives an original touch to the picture. It just wouldn't be the same without it. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:04, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, and don't crop it. It feels like one is actually there with the two heads prominently featured in the background. Titoxd(?!?)06:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Probably not, unless a better version of the original image is found, otherwise there's almost nothing that can be done to improve the quality. --Pharaoh Hound00:04, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose per Staxringold. However, would be glad to support
Oppose - I personally don't like using GIFs for anything except animation, ergo I don't support. Plus I wouldn't exactly call it stunning or massively informative. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ15:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose - There have already been too many featured articles on storms. Unless they are culturally or historically significant... leave 'em off the main page. -OldMajor02:01, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. I wish the resolution was a little higher and the photo a little more panoramic, but otherwise it's nice. --Mad Max22:10, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support. Small, but it does meet the requirement. Real problem I see is I am not sure how well it shows the lake... very beautiful picture none the less. say198801:25, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. It's a beautiful picture, but tells us more about the sky on that particular day than about the lake itself. In other words, I don't think it's very encyclopedic. -- moondigger02:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Not enough detail; it feels so generic. If it was higher resolution and more encompassing, I'd be able to pick out the features specific to the area. I want to be able to see the path on the far side, etc. Night Gyr05:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
WeakSupport - Wonderful photo, would change to a strong support if a higher res version is made available - only the high res would fully justify the unencyclopedic nature. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ10:03, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose. This image is very beautiful (so much so I actually set it as my desktop), yes, however I find it to be unencyclopedic per moondigger. SorryGuy03:42, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral It definitely adds a lot to the article it's in...but I still don't feel like I can see much of the lake. I don't know from this photo whether we're seeing half, a quarter, a tenth, a fiftieth of the lake - is this one of the world's biggest lakes, or a mere pond? A camera angle slightly more to the left (to take in the far side and left bank if possible), and slightly retreated (to take in the near edge - though I'm pretty sure we're on the bank as you can see a tiny bit of weed close by) would help in that regard. Lovely photo, just not *quite* encyclopaedic enough for me. Stevage08:24, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. A little too generic for me. The large portion of the frame dedicated to the reflection doesn't help the composition for me as it is basically an unsharp inverse duplication of the hills and doesn't add a lot to the scene. It does illustrate the landscape but not to the extent I would expect from a FP. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)09:52, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support - Lovely. Hope you don't mind, but I've centred the panorama on the voting page - it's tradition to have panoramas centred, as they break up the layout otherwise. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ17:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, the effect of the light on the water is great. The only problem I see is that image might be slightly tilted. The slanted docks don't give a good horizontal reference to check, and it could just be the curvature playing tricks on me. Night Gyr20:03, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support. I was actually going to nominate this pic. There has never been a better picture of Melbourne, anywhere. Beautiful framing, lights, and clarity. Kudos to the photographer in charge. -- GarrettRock22:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment IMHO (as a Melburnian) this isn't a great photo of Melbourne. It's a good photo of the Melbourne Docklands, but it's essentially a fairly odd mirror-image of the city's panorama from the typical view, since it's taken from "behind the back". It's a good photo, but subjectively I can't help but think, "what an awful part of Melbourne" :/ How bizarre also that there is scarcely a single boat moored at the jetty... Stevage23:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, as the photographer, I have to admit that I agree with you about the fact that it isn't a great photo of Melbourne. The image was originally intended only for the Docklands article, but someone else has added it to the Melbourne article. As for the lack of boats, thats because it was freshly built. In fact, it wasn't even complete at the time and was partially under construction. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)23:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Good view, very encyclopedic, but I think that Diliff's comments should be noted in the write-up, however, just because it isn't extremely pretty doesn't make it any less of a good picture. Besides, despite the fact it might not show the best part of Melbourne, I like it. --OldMajor02:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support Stunning. It grabs my attention, has vivid color, and is of excellent quality. Why do all these wonderful pictures seem to come from Canon? Wow. Tewy01:31, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A panoramic view from the rim, showing the inside of the cone, the city of Waikīkī, and the Pacific Ocean
I've never submitted a picture to FPC before, so sorry if I screw up! This is a rim-to-rim panorama of the inside of the Diamond Head crater, in Hawaii. Like the caption says, you can see the city, the ocean, and the crater's belly...besides which, I just think it's a relatively artistic piece. Let me know what to fix.
Appears in the Diamond Head, Hawaii article. I took the picture. Thanks!
Comment - With all the controversy concerning Sockpuppets in voting on images, I checked the photographer's recent edits and found about 20 requests for votes placed on other user pages, see [here]. Is this kind of active campaigning for nominations acceptable on FPCs? SteveHopson17:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak support - Obviously, the people on the right may seem to get in the way, but I disagree. Diamond Head is a tourist attraction, and there is nothing wrong with people being there. See here on how you can climb Diamond Head. Anyways, this picture clearly shows the National Guard facilities in the crater, Kapiolani Community College right behind it, the Pacific Ocean on the right, and the Diamond Head Lighthouse on bottom right corner, which are important.--Endroit17:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The image is informative, but not particularly FP-worthy, especially given the presence of the people on the right. -- moondigger18:20, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. The colors are washed out. The focal length, while impression, deprives the photo of depth. One doesn't know whether waikiki is two or twenty miles away. Color correction could help this. However, in this state, it looks like the work of a point-and-shoot. ... aa:talk22:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose It's an alright photo Cathryn, however, it seems more like a family vacation picture than anything else. I mean, it isn't like it was impossible NOT to photograph the people. If it weren't for the people I'd probably support it. By the way, silly question I know, but I have to ask; does the young lady in yellow know you're putting her face up on an encyclopedia? --Mad Max22:27, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose The picture seems somewhat blurry to me. This could just be my monitor though. Otherwise I think it's pretty good. --Nebular11005:38, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Oppose This photo is blurry, the highlights in the sky/ocean at the top are blown out, the colors aren't that particularly striking (the greens and yellows are very flat), and then we've got the Peterson Family from Tulsa wandering around on the right. There are likely dozens of other pictures from Hawaii out there that are far more striking than this one. --Nilington16:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Support - I have hiked that trip to the top of the rim and the woman and child make the photograph. (If I had set up the shot I would have hired a model to do just that.) The hike to the top involves narrow climbs, a bizzarre one-person/one-way passage through a crack in the concrete walls at the top and the experience includes other climbers like the one in this photograph. Strong strong support. - Tεxτurε18:11, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This picture appears to have been taken by a 180-degree panorama lens from approximately this position facing east-northeast, using this camera. Click on the photo (twice) or here, to see the picture in its original size. I commend Cathryn for her ingenuity in choosing this position and angle with this lens. May I ask professional photographers what exactly is lacking in this picture, and what can be done to take better pictures worthy of FP from this position atop Diamond Head?--Endroit21:35, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, image quality is lacking, the horizon is not straight and is partially cropped out of the frame. Those things are major problems in my opinion. It isn't an absolutely terrible photo, but it is hardly high quality either. Since you ask how it could be improved, I would suggest that a better quality camera is used (I don't want to sound elitist but there is a point where image quality from cameras is quite relevent. The image is reasonably high resolution but it is extremely soft and undetailed - you could downsample it by half and probably lose very little in the way of detail) and, if it wasn't done in the first place, take the photos in portrait format rather than landscape. That would give you a wider angle of view vertically and would avoid cutting off the horizon. Finally, better perspective correction would avoid a curved horizon. Some photo stitching programs do this better than others, so I would suggest using a high quality stitcher. Diliff | (Talk)(Contribs)21:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose The tiny people down the bottom right would be ok - but not the massively prominent woman, kid, and guy with his back to us. You'd think the photo was about them. Otherwise, great photo - a real shame. Stevage08:29, 20 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose While on the one hand it is an impressive shot and it captures the beauty of DH wonderfully, I agree that the quality is not what I would consider featured picture status, and the people are extremely distracting. The argument that it is a tourist spot is valid - however if that were the intent of the capture I would have imagined tourists being further in the background, rather than the focal foreground. I don't like the lack of depth, either. Perhaps I will edit the image and repost it. Keakealani19:56, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Quality is not that great; over exposure; reflection of sunlight; disorienting horizon distortions; cloud shadows obstruct view of the crater itself, and people do not contribute anything to purpose of the image. Also the caption is incorrect, but this can be changed easily. There is no city of Waikīkī, Waikīkī is a neighborhood in the city of Honolulu. Also Waikīkī is not shown in the picture, as it is located to the west and not the north. Sudachi02:58, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
FYI: Actually, about 10 buildings of eastern Waikiki, including Liliuokalani Gardens is visible on the far left. Since this is a panorama image, the left edge is in the north-northwest direction and the right edge is in the south-southeast direction.--Endroit03:15, 22 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Honolulu, Oahu would be redundant, since the entire island is Honolulu county anyway. Since it's not using a formal placename address ('Waikīkī, Hawaii' would be incorrect, for example) I don't think it's technically incorrect in the caption. Keakealani01:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. The picture would be just plain dull if it wasn't for the Unknown Mother and her baby. It offers an aesthetically pleasing contrast to the scenery that is the main motif of the photograph. If nothing else, it shows it's significance as a tourist destination. Jobjörn (Talk ° contribs) 20:10, 24 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A very detailed, striking image of the makeshift shelter offered Katrina refugees in the Houston Astrodome. Depending on how you look at it it may be too emotionally cold but it's also very encyclopedic.
Oppose. I'll cite CapeCodEph's reasons from the last nomination to explain why: Blurry/distorted on the left side, and the emptiness of the stands works against the concepts being illustrated: the cramped quarters and distress of the situation. -- Mgm|(talk)08:07, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose It isn't that great a photo. It is at an angle, which doesn't work with macro, as most of the spider is out of focus. Also, the spider is so common, there are better photos out there. There are also less common forms (unsure if they are species or just variation within the species), which can look really cool. I will upload some soon. --liquidGhoul08:47, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here are some of my spider photos. This is a very different pattern, and a pretty good photo if it wasn't for the glare. Here is one of another pattern, with the white stripe down the center. It is a pretty crappy photo, but you can see the diversity out there. This is a St. Andrew's Cross Spider, but you can see how much better it looks straight on than on an angle. --liquidGhoul09:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm certainly aware that there are many variations, but I don't think finding obscure patterns make the picture any more encylopaedic (maybe even less so because they are not typical of the spider). There is a lot to be said for top down macro-photography such as in the example you show, but it makes the picture (to my mind) rather common and sterile. It may be that I was aiming for something a little too artistic, but I purposely avoided the "standard" top down view (particularly since I had already taken one of that view). --Fir000209:44, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Your top view is heaps better than this one. This photo only has about 30% in focus, and it isn't a particularly interesting or encyclopaedic section. Also, you already have a FP of an orb spider which looks remarkably similar to this. Yes, it is very important for the article to include the most common form (although I have never seen this one, must be native to Vic), but for a FP, we are looking for stunning, and unfortunately, this one is not that stunning. Some of the other morphs are. --liquidGhoul10:14, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral. Okay, I know this is going to sound crazy but I like seeing a spider's face (even though they always look the same), and in that photo one of the legs is covering a portion of its face up. I don't mind the artistic intentions at all, but that white blob in the background that looks like a truck kind of ruins the background for me. But other than that most of the spider seems to be in good-enough focus, so there's a plus. --Mad Max09:59, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Nominated a year ago, this picture had a final tally of 3/1. Since it didn't reach the minimum of 4 support votes it failed it's nomination. I still feel that this is a worthy image, so I resubmit (with two alternatives for extra choice)
Weak Oppose - Flowers are pretty. Only one of them is clear and it's not even in the center of the picture and it has shadow and water droplets on it. The other flowers are blurred out slightly, if not entirely. --Hecktor08:24, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Support Pretty clear shot of at least one of the flowers, and decent use of the rule of thirds (or at least some sort of variation of that rule). I'm okay with the picture, however, as with your spider above, this may be too artistic for some users. --Mad Max10:05, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. This photograph reminds me of my picture of orchids which you shot down for similar pitfalls to one in this photo. The back is pretty bad as only one flower is truly in focus and the framing could have been better. Pretty flowers, though -- GarrettRock15:39, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose I personally think there should be enough depth of feel to include the other flowers. I don't like there just being one in focus. Nauticashades23:24, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
A photo of the United States Declaration of Independence
This is a high-resolution enhanced image of the United States Declaration of Independence. This image is a version of the 1820s William Stone facimile. This image is from the commons, and can be found in the articles United States Declaration of Independence and Human Rights. I am nominating the image for its historical importance.
Support, though I find the slight upward tilt of the lines of writing distracting. Any way you could fix this, or is it a flaw that comes with the original document? --NoahElhardt14:29, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't look like it was scanned at an angle. The edges of the paper line up with the edges of the picture. Maybe it's just a tilt from writing it out by hand. — BRIAN0918 • 2006-06-18 03:06
Support, historic document, easily readable at high res, and beautiful handwriting a forgotten skill it seems now.--Dakota~15:26, 19 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Excellent quality, and historical significance would cover up any quality issues, even though in this case they do not exist. Titoxd(?!?)06:06, 25 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose - Too busy; the fruits run together, though maybe that can't be avoided. ON the other hand, the picture could certainly stand to be sharper: at full resolution it's too blurry. The focus is on the woman, which leaves a good portion of the fruit display out of focus. Not the best when the fruit is what you want to illustrate. Night Gyr04:11, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Oppose Tewy, could you please inform Daderot (talk·contribs) that you have nominated his image as a FPC. Secondly, the image isn't bad but there are as many vegetables in that shot as there is fruit. The photo could also be sharper. The lady on the right side in jeans is kind of distracting, but she isn't bad looking from what I can tell so I don't mind... --Mad Max06:28, 16 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support. Great photograph- I love the way the person is looking at one fruit when there are stacks and stacks of others around. Interesting idea, and could be "encyclopedic" for fruit stalls and fruit. fpwannabe
Support... it could be a little sharper. ... but, I think it's incredibly striking with the colors and I like how the stalls run into each other. I like the lady on the right because it adds to the vastness of the collection since it looks like she is stuck in the produce (an article where it fits very well). grenグレン18:17, 17 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Support, for what it's worth. I think it's a great picture. I like the variety of fruit, the mix of colors, the fact that you can see the store extending into the background, and the fact that it has a shopper in with the main subject. So, now that I've expressed my support, is this the part in the discussion where somebody tries to discredit me as a sock puppet? ;) Kafziel13:03, 21 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose Far too low res --Fir0002 www 08:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Oppose It's quite good but just lacking the "wow factor". --Fir0002 www 09:08, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
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Strong Support for edit 3, by Every1blowz. Love it, as original. In the edit, I think the richer grass, the slightly bluer white on the gravestone and the better perspective improve it for me. —Vanderdecken∴∫ξφ 18:11, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
Pro for edit 3. Witty lama 12:41, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
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Support Edit. Amazing looking place. Image quality is boarding on the unacceptable but this is still pretty nice. --Fir0002 www 10:16, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
Comment This image is most probably copyrighted. The full image can be found here (as User:Lupo stated). The uploader, User:Neoneo13, probably cropped it and uploaded it to Wikipedia. —Black and White (TALKCONTRIBS) 19:50, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
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(just noticed how bad the colors are). If I had not included the legend within the image anyone who saw this outside of Wikipedia would have no idea what was being shown. Not to mention most diagrams have the legend within the picture anyway; its the standard on these things. Anyway, I ultimately agree Janke on this one. --Mad Max 21:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
Neutral This is quite interesting, only problem I have is the cut off tail --Fir0002 09:39, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
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