(transferred from Conflicts between users)
User:Richardchilton has admitted these are all the same person
- From Richardchilton's user page: "VeryVerily's detective work and accusations are going to matter a lot less now, what are you going to do about someone changing his IP every few minutes? Frankly, I have been a lot less restrained in the past few days. Before I would qualify and modify things I thought were POV. Now I just delete them wholesale and - most of the time no one stops me. I felt the need to go by the NPOV before, but now I don't, and I am a lot more successful in modifying Wikipedia now." This looks bad to me:
- Declaration of unwillingness to accept NPOV policy
- Declaration of use of subterfuge, including technical means, to get round blocks
- On the face of it, this looks like a "declaration of war" from this user. -- The Anome 14:45, 27 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- I've got your man! His name is VeryVerily. Shorne 04:55, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
For reference, I'm adding a list of all accounts which are believed by me to be his:
-- VV 20:59, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- What the hell is my name doing on this list? Can't even face my accuser: an "anon user" made the accusation! Rig up the dunking chair, or is it the guillotine? Another good old-timey witch hunt by our beloved right-wing imperialist censors and part-time deities.
- For that matter, why does this list exist at all? Is this anything but an attempt to round up the entire opposition and turn it into one mean red guy with horns, a barbed tail, and a pitchfork?
- I demand a retraction and an apology. Shorne 04:53, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- FWIW, I do not think you belong on the above list of sockpuppets. But there is nothing wrong with (an anon) posting one's suspicions. At any rate, you do a good imitation nonetheless, and bring the same problems. VeryVerily 07:43, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I don't think anybody belongs on that list. In fact, I don't think that the list should have been produced at all, let alone publicly posted. It is nothing but gossip. I call for its deletion. Shorne 08:01, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I agree. This page appears to be turning into a list of every left-leaning user with who appears on this site, with scant association with "Richardchilton," complied by a single person. (This smacks of a witch hunt.) And even if all these accounts are used by the same user who edited with the "Richardchilton" account, what's the point? Not a single user on the list is banned. This page ought to be deleted. 172 01:06, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Sure, every left-leaning user, of whom there are only fourteen. Because you leftists are so persecuted on Wikipedia. "Witch hunt" - whatever; I know what I'm talking about, even if you don't. And their collective actions need to be treated as a unit, especially now that I may be in arbitration with this sockpuppet army. Identifying them comes before banning, not after, duh. VeryVerily 01:11, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I don't see sufficient evidence suggesting that we're dealing with the same editor, other than their socialist leanings. 172 01:18, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- That is fine, as long as you are clear that it is only that you fail to see evidence. VeryVerily 01:29, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I don't see the evidence either. Maybe you should submit your story to the tabloid press. You probably meet their, er, standards. Shorne 01:33, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I wasn't on here for more than a couple of days before people started "suspecting" or even asserting that I was this, that, or the other user masquerading as Shorne. Typical of rightists. They don't want to discuss facts; they only want to discuss personalities and innuendo. Shorne 01:30, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- Blah blah blah. VeryVerily 05:25, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- It's fact. And I call for your immediate banning, but I guess in life one doesn't always get one's wishes. VeryVerily 08:10, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)
- I consider it slanderous that VeryVerily continually accuses me, on pages there is a dispute over, of being a "sock puppet" or having a "sock puppet" or whatever. I see this as simply a method of diverting attention away from the article onto ad hominem attacks. What proof does VeryVerily have to back up this accusation? Absolutely none. He is just using it to try to poison the well against me. VeryVerily has been temp-banned for having an edit war with another user - I have never been disciplined as such, nor has, as far as I can tell, this user who he claims I am a "sock puppet" of. VeryVerily is the one the Wikipedia community chose to temp ban after a Quickpoll, yet he throws mud at me, goes through my (and many other peoples) edit histories and reverts everything they write, tries to poison other users with his mindset of non-cooperation and so forth. If everyone on Wikipedia acted like he did, it would be a complete mess. What proof does he have for his accusations? Absolutely none. He can accuse me of things he conjures in his mind all he wants, I can state the FACT that the Wikipedia chose to temp ban him for his abusive revert war with another user and that his behavior is usually abusive and non-cooperative, not just with me but with other users as well. Hanpuk 18:40, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
- It is obvious to virtually everyone who works with you who you are. Even 172 probably wouldn't deny your identity; he just likes your politics. -- VV 20:42, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
However, he has announced on RfA and also on IRC his waning interest in this "crappy old" Wiki, so maybe the communist POV, vandalism, revert wars, and personal attacks may finally wind down a bit. See User:Richardchilton for his latest statement of intent (to continue attacking Wikipedia, but not as much). -- VV 05:24, 30 Mar 2004 (UTC)
- RickK and User:VeryVerily (added by me in protest of this page) I'm sick of this page's existence - it belongs on the VFD. This user isn't unreasonable, a troll, or vandal. Instead, he's been put on the defensive by a small clique of right wing users committed to driving him off Wikipedia. Sure, he's provocative at times. But it's tough communicating on WP when you have several users following you around at all times, bickering over who had the right to revert what article and when, and then going ahead and reverting your work. Unlike the people habitually vilifying him, I'm one of the few users who's bothered to talk with him by e-mail or on the talk pages without arguing over bullshit, such as the typical who reverted whom first trivialities. We weren't discussing specific articles, but rather his impressions of Wikipedia as a project. He seems engaging and easygoing. I bet he'd rather write about chess than participate in edit wars. Unlike his virulent critics, he knows that he's biased, admits that he's biased, and holds nothing personally against users who think differently. IMO, he has a much more reasonable attitude about his critics than his critics have of him. He knows that they're playing the very same game that he's playing. However, his critics have never/can hever do any wrong in their own eyes. The overblown personal feud isn't the fault of Lance/Hector/Richard/etc., but of the users responsible for this asinine "Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Richardchilton" witch hunt. 172 07:43, 5 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Note: Hanpuk explicitly denied being one of the above; he appears to have conceded his identity since (User:Maximus_Rex/asdf).
- This is a non-issue. Not a single user mentioned was a banned vandal. It doesn't make one difference whether or not Hanpuk was Richard, Hector, Lance, whatever. 172 18:47, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]
- Of course it's an issue. The fact that banning has not been enforced does not mean he is not a vandal. He has even admitted to his "guerrilla" activities on his own user pages. -- VV 20:42, 6 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]