Wikipedia talk:Requests for arbitration/-Ril-

• It has been suggested that this is actually a sockpuppet User:Lir, who is still the subject of a ban. If this should prove to be the case, the arbiters could perhaps save themselves a good deal of trouble. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 00:56, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• It's also been repeatedly stated and proven that I am not, by several other editors. Including David Gerard, an arbitrator. ~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 01:10, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Some characteristics that support the idea that -Ril- is a Lir sock:

1. Like Lir, -Ril- has made vague claims of having access to administrator capabilities. Few of our vexatious users do this.
2. User:Ril is another suspected Lir sockpuppet
3. Ril is a palindrome of Lir
4. Lir and all his sockpuppets made serial edits, a pattern that -Ril- carries on
5. Lir's later sockpuppets would frequently violate the 3RR. -Ril- has been banned four times for 3RR violations.
6. The writing style is similar.

The Uninvited Co., Inc. 01:18, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Some characteristics that don't

1. The writing style is completely different (e.g. I use British English, the Oxford comma (comma before the "and" or "or" in a list), and have consistently done so for over 8000 edits)
2. Ril is a palindrome of nothing. A palindrome is a word that is the same spelt in reverse (e.g. Noon, Bob, etc.).
3. Ril is an anagram of Lir, but also of Rli, Lri, Irl, and Ilr. 3 Letter words are common, especially ones that actually sound like proper words.
4. UninvitedCompany is an anagram of "You C Men Pant On Vid"
5. -Ril- has been unbanned for 3RR violations several times with the bans being judged inappropriate - indeed all but El C's were lifted, and El C was self-admittedly "high on codeine" at the time
6. Everyone makes serial edits. More than 2 edits in a sequence is serial editing.
7. User:--Ril-- is unlikely to be a Lir sockpuppet
8. -Ril- has never claimed to have admin powers.

~~~~ ( ! | ? | * ) 01:27, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

• I looked through Lir's edits. I believe, given a sufficient number of edits, I would definitely recognize -Ril-. And as much as I think -Ril- is playing a lot of games on Wiki to the harm of everyone, see Wikipedia:Requests for comment/-Ril-, I don't think this is one of those games. -Ril- focuses on articles with a religio-political POV (he used that term). Lir does not. There are other reasons that I will not go into, but I would recognize him over time. --Noitall 03:49, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

• I agree, despite earlier suspicions I am now quite sure -Ril- is not Lir. If -Ril- is a returned user, they seem far more likely to be User:CheeseDreams. There are some similarities, but most likely -Ril- is a wholly new problem. - SimonP 04:48, August 14, 2005 (UTC)

• I suppose we shall have to trudge through all the steps then, though I doubt that the outcome will differ. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 05:02, 14 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Looks like you couldn't be bothered waiting, hey? If we're going to have a dispute process, can you not wait for it to work itself out? Are you yourself judge and jury? -- Grace Note