Well done to both sides for putting their viewpoint forward and making it fit the editing requirements -- and well done to the editorial team for making this happen. It appeared there were quite a few hurdles along the way. MPS1992 (talk) 00:35, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- As an aside, I rather liked the "Modern Sporting Rifle" name, so blatantly euphemistic. Jim.henderson (talk) 00:58, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I have to say, as the guy who copyedited the most of the thing, I found this to be one of the most thought provoking debate I came accross in a while, and not just on Wikipedia. I don't agree with everything on either sides, of course, but both were very well argued. I have my own opinions on the topic, and both sides have challenged them. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 03:10, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
This Op-Ed has parallels to recent controversies and criticism regarding Wikiproject Military History and the "clean wermacht" thesis. It was a significant/divisive Arbcom case (don't have the link handy--apologies). Interesting article on the Clean Wermacht and Wikipedia here. It can be easy to underestimate the power of Wikiprojects.AugusteBlanqui (talk) 10:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I can see the parallel if the assumption is a project has influence on the articles related to that project. However, I think there difference between the clean wermacht issue and this. Here it isn't a question of interpretation of material or if such material is reliable. Rather it's a question of if the basic material is within the scope of a particular article. Springee (talk) 02:18, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The broader issue, relating to Wikipedia in general not just Nazis and guns, is how weight and wp:due are used tactically by editors. For example, the argument that war crimes details in a biography article are wp:undue. Or in the case of Pennsylvania State University, the argument that including the sexual assault crimes there was wp:undue.AugusteBlanqui (talk) 13:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- I think that hits on one of the questions I had, weight is somewhat gray in these areas. Do articles about PSU normally mention the crime (I assume we are talking about those related to the assistant coach) or are people using articles about the crimes to establish weight for inclusion in the university article vs an article about the crimes. Also, even if a one or two articles about the school talks about the crime is that sufficient to say articles about the school include discussion of the crime? The closing of the automotive RfC mentioned in the Con OpEd closed with a statement that suggested that when in this gray area it basically does come down to the subjective opinions of seasoned, and hopefully, uninvolved editors to give it their best judgement. Springee (talk) 18:01, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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